These three plus many others besides them are sending out way too many paid searches instead of paid e-mails lately. I thought Paradise Hits had it seperate where people who signed up for a group will get the paid searches while others like me don't have to get them. But, I am getting way too many of them. CashRead is the biggest offender sending like 50 links of paid searches a day, and only send like 3 to 5 links of paid e-mails a week. Paid People all of a sudden is sending anything nothing but paid searches lately. Come on. Enough is enough on these paid searches since so many of these programs are using the same search engines.

You are right. I wonder what will happen when these search engines wont pay for garbage traffic, will the webmasters be able to pay the members? Any paid email co. that is sending out there own links as paid emails may have a problem.

I'm sure, with a few exceptions, webmasters will pass the loss along to the members. I only do searches for a select group (most sites I belong to don't even send searches) who mostly send paid e-mails, and I think the webmasters are fair so I don't feel too concerned. I'm just surprised it's taking advertisers this long to realize the traffic they are getting is useless (for the most part).

I send out a combination of searches, shareasale affiliate programs, and advertising ads. Nobody is being forced to click on these emails, everyone has a choice on participation. When I stopped sending out email, there were complaints, you can't make everyone happy, and every program has a negative

Also, for the past 3 days I had doubled the amount given on those paid searches from 1c to 2c. So I thought I had been doing the right thing by putting a higher amount on, for the extra searches.

I agree - I hate the searches - 1 or 2 a day is plenty without 8 or so from one company!! (not mentioning any names!)

I've given up on programs with basically only endless searches and fixed referral bonuses upon payment.

That's how I feel anyway.

I don't send 8. I'll put it back to 3 and make it 1 cent again. If it was left the way it was, it'd have been earning members alot more.

Wayne, I think she meant programs like CashRead who sends like 5 or more search links a day. I get like 15 to 25 a day in five e-mails from CashRead.

95% of paid emails from cashinprofits.com is searches also. All they pay is .20 cents (no, not 20 cents)

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I'm new here but I really don't see what the fuss is about! At least something is being sent and you are being paid a fair amount for it! I know of one program that sends out 10 or 15 searches and pays about a tenth of a cent for them!Just do the searches and get paid! There is a recession going on folks! Cut the owner some slack

Jenn

I wasnt sure Poncer, searches is a pretty sensitive issue right now.

Super Dollar Depot send around 8/day and you know what? they're mainly 1c, and the guy has paid me time and time again.

Cash Read, 25!!!! ??? For real?? yikes. Well if my members like it I can promote possibly 4 search engines at 8c, 2 portals, and some affiliate programs. I'm just not sure what the word on the street is at the moment, so I advertised this thread to see what people think.

If I can make decent money (like 1 cent/link) from paid searches then I find then quite tolerable, but it is true that so many of them are just worth mere fractions of a cent and not worth it. Still, not having working hyperlinks to click bothers me considerably more. That's why SuperDollarDepot is great--each link one cent, and the hyperlinks WORK with AOL.

But I agree with you Poncer that all these searches are becoming something of an epidemic.

I've said it before and I'll say it again:

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OK, I'm really fired up about this one today...

Is it true that most of these search engine sites only credit their affiliates once or twice per 24-hour period by unique-clicking i.p. address? I actually don't know the particulars about each individual search engine (though most webmasters DO assume clickers know about all this...because they mentioned it in one email three months ago...)

As an example, I get at least five sites a day sending me links for easysearchall searches. This is true despite the fact that the site explicitly states "NO INCENTIVE SEARCHERS". Regardless, let's say I click on all five of these links. Does only the first one (or two) get credited to the affiliate? Do I have to type in a search term or can I use the directories? Do I have to wait thirty seconds between clicks?

The danger in this is the potential for the old e-pilot scam: deleting users for "violating" terms of service. Should I stop doing searches entirely to avoid this? Will I ever reach a minimum payout if I don't?

We need standards for this sort of thing. We also need to educate our PTC webmasters and really figure out what's going on. Please GPTBoycotters, we need to unite and fix this mess!

That is, unless no one thinks it's a problem but me...

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Wayne, I'm on your side for this one. I like the number of emails Paradise Hits sends out. They're manageable because there's just one link in the email, unlike places like CashRead with around 6 or 7 in each. I, for one, would certainly like the searches back in Paradise Hits - even if it only is Paradise Hits. Perhaps if you raised it to 5c or something, it would become more popular. As you pay in advertising, I guess you can afford to do that.

Great work, you're running a brilliant site, you have my full support, the only suggestion I have is to remove the somewhat-annoying referral links from the emails. And perhaps send HTML emails?!?!

I wonder what would have happened if the members could just decide if they want to receive paid searches (or cheap links). Changing the script to support this option shouldn't be a problem. Then those who do not want to do those stupid searches would't get them.

I could try the seperate list again through the script but I need to send the searches to get the money to pay the programmer

Now 5 cents, ok, would assigning a 5 cent value really make these searches more popular? I am prepared to do a 7 day experiment, each search email would be 1 day expiry (you have to click within 2 4hrs).

Paid Email 1: 5 Cents
Paid Email 2: 4 Cents
Paid Email 3: 3 Cents
Paid Email 4: 2 Cents

Thats a 14c value. By doing 1 weeks of searches, you'd have enough for a redemption. If this was done exactly as I stated above

(1) Would this make searches on my particular site more popular
(2) Would this be a good selling point into recruiting more members? 7 days search = 1 redemption?


I still think 20c is a little much. But if opinion is for this experiment i'll do it for 7 days just to see what happens.

I am not sure about how IPs/Searches are determined.

Here are some of the problems I am seeing in this.
1.Some search engines have in their TOS that webmasters should not incenticize for searches like paid e-mail searches. I found that some of these webmasters for these GPTR programs are violating the TOS agreement, and they could lose their accounts for doing this.

2.There are some search engines who could not pay their affiliates for all the searches that have been made since a lot of the webmasters are sending alot of paid searches in their e-mails.

3.Some GPTR programs can not even pay their members like Cash PO because the search engine companies can't pay them, which means the webmasters can't pay us.


4.Sending way too many Paid searches everyday for these programs is costing webmasters, members and these search engine companies a lot of money.


That means it is the webmasters' who need to fix this problem and cut back on these e-mails until everything is back to normal. I have to weed through way too many e-mails with nothing but Paid searches to find a few with the paid links to click that are not searches.

It looks like paid searches are here to stay, for a while at least. Webmasters have to use the resources available. They need to make money, members need to make money / or get a return. If you're rewarded fairly or a percentage based on what the member base earns, then I believe that fair, a win/win situation. Theres always going to be a downside. I stopped sending them out for a while, I got alot of grief over that, so I started sending them again.

Alot of webmasters have seperate agreements with different programs, I doubt all these webmasters would be breaking the rules and would still be paid.

There are some technical sides. All some people are merely doing is advertising a site, and not enforcing searches. If your participation doesnt change the amount you earn on that email, some people would consider this to be "non inecntive". You're sent a paid email, for that page, just like any other page you get in an email. Some people/affiliate program owners would find this wrong, some places would find it perfectly acceptable. It depends on the individual running the searches and the program owner. There could be a huge debate on this, and people will have different feelings about what incentive is, and what is non incentive.

Whether or not members agree with searches, most of my members appreciate the emails, they pay the hosting bills, my members get to advertise, win/win situation.

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Point 1: - argeed upon, but webmasters send the members to the main page of the search engine. Correct me if I am wrong, but I think Find Blitz is the only Search Engie that allows incenticized searches?

Point 4:- How does it cost members?

I notice some paid ads from members for these search ebgines to promote them to get money from the companies. I think they saw that webmasters can do it, that they can do it as well.

Well there mare more companies that allow incentive searches, only you may not mention it.

I got several emails from searchengines in which they ask me to use their searchengine, this happened several times. Well I emailed them back if they know that I have a paid to read email site and with the question if I can use paid searches. Then they answer me that that is possible.

So I sign up and see in terms, NO INCENTIVE SEARCHES!!! I email them again with the question if I can use paid searches in emails to my members. And again they tell me I can do that, but I must not mention: this is a paid search.

I find it a little strange towards the advertisers, that in the terms says no incentives searches, and in the meantime many webmasters do it and is allowed.

This was the deathpenalty of shojosearch, some of their big advertisers did not want to pay. They owe me $288 in three month time.

I now do less paid searches only once or twice a week, because I don't want to lose money again on these engines, you never are sure if a engine will stay alive or not.

Greetings,

Bennie Post

Hello:-) I'm running greatwhite-paidemail, and I had no advertisers to speak of at all...So I sent one paid search so I would have something to send, and maybe make a very little bit of cash on the side...I recevied an email from one of my members saying that it wasn't allowed, and the search engine would freeze my account. I emailed the search engine two seperate times and told them I was promoting their link in my paid to click email, and if I wasn't allowed to, to email me back, and I'll stop...No response, so I assume I'm allowed to...I guess I'll just wait and see

Which searchengine do you use momof?

Someone made a complaint to a search engine on Jay which they e-mailed him telling him he better stop Incentive them to his members. This happened shortly after I posted my concerns about the webmasters using the search engines including on his forum. Now, it looks like I am being blamed for making a complaint against Jay. Why would I want to complained about Jay using it when he is not overkill on it? If i wanted to complain to these search engines, I complained about CashRead.

I wouldn't even class these as search engines. They don't search, they just take you to a page with viagra, ebay, other search engines and debt consolidation. If you put in any word not connected to any of those, tough.

Just for the record, I don't search but I don't click the links either, all search emails get deleted.

I delete them as well, or not click on them at all when I am too busy doing other things.

You have many direct links to my site.....and I mean MANY. I have begged people not to do this on my site. Every time the page is loaded, it counts as bandwidth usage for my site. I was kicked off of two servers in two weeks because of over bandwidth usage. I was forced to go to a more expensive server that will shut my site down once I reach a certain limit of bandwidth. The main reason for this is people who link to my cat animation graphics. I am sure that you did not intend to steal from me, but that is just what you are doing. Please remove any usage of cybergata.com from your posts. People with graphic sites like mine maintain them so many people can enjoy the animations, but the more people who link to graphics, the more likely we will have to shut down our graphic sites. Please be considerate.

Use a bandwidth protector like I do its very effective, and free of charge.

I think That they should just add a option where the people that do not want searches will not recieve them! Personally I like the searches!

That's what Wayne have done in the past. I thought it worked find. I just don't want my inbox to be cluttered with nothing but paid searches. Just waste my time.

you can add Zaraditenovac to the list of Piad to reads that only send out paid searches, they send at least 20 in one e-mail, now i call that OVERKILL!!!