I think so.. I think although ya'll got there when you could it still took a long time of waiting before someone came on that could fix everything.

ok, hope you won't mind if i give my opinion here too.
first let's handle the funcent subject:
as i already posted in BOTH complaints in the complaintsfolder, i am very sorry for the members that did wait in line properly that they were falling back in the line because of people, no, let's just call them what they are, lame a**es, that can not wait for a moderator to fix the thread BEFORE it get's into a real chaos. In this particular downline thread, there just was no other way of fixing it then the way i did.
if only one person would have skipped, things would be much easier, but everywhere between the people that waited properly there were these lame a**es skipping as they felt like it. so when i looked into the thread there were AT LEAST three or four different breaks all over the thread.
so the only thing that i could do was, search for the last person that signed up properly and get all people that posted after that to get in a line again, because there was NO line anymore!
so i'll say this oncemore, and it will be the last time:
i am really sorry for the people that were correct in the funcent thread that they got punished because other people HAD to be punished

then for the moderators topic:
first of all, lets make it completely clear that i do this, because i like to help people, AND because i think it is FUN to do!!
I know that we (moderators) can not please everybody always, so indeed, sometimes people get punished because others need punishment. but then again, think!!! , is it really that bad to loose a few spots in a downline, having in mind that there are much more people using the downlinebuilder everyday, so all your referral levels will be fill anyway? is it really that bad that it may take a day or two longer for your referral levels to fill up? i think not.
I try yo do the best i can to harm as little people as possible that don't deserve it, but sometimes there's just no other way.

then for the skippers subject:
I think that there is not ONE member on this forum that can not understand the simple rules for the downlinebuilder. Why do people skip? well in my opinion because they THINK that they will get profit out of it, well let me tell you, YOU WILL NOT. Skipping a person in the downlinebuilder without a reason, will get yourself being skipped.

ok that were the topics, now for the posters of the messages.

for lisa0967:
you state in your post that it is out of order what happened in the funcent thread, my question to you, please tell me how i could have fixed that thread in any other way?

for tipsy:
the same question for you, please tell me how i could have fixed that thread in any other way?

for dollarsurfer:
we voted indeed against adding more moderators, i'll tell you why.
a week or so ago, there was a thread that needed to be fixed, i don't remember the name, sorry for that, but anyway, without me knowing it, another moderator was also working to fix the same thread, thing was, the other moderator did it in another way then i did, so we worked against eachother in that thread, making the thread even more a mess then it was, in my opinion, when you have more moderators, maybe indeed things can be fixed a little faster, but the thing i just told you, will happen more then too, and also i think, that if members just take the time to read the simple rules, and the following them, there would not be any problem in the downline builder at all, and when there WOULD be a problem, there were 4 moderators to fix it, i think that would be quite enough...
and as you stated in your second post, indeed, people need to be a little more calm, just wait for your turn, does it seem that the person before you does not sign up fast enough, why not send him/her a private message? the rule that everybody participating in downlinethreads must allow other members to send him/her pm's is not in there for nothing.

for tipsy again:
i really can understand that you feel bad that you waited so long for your turn, and that it turned out in another way then you hoped, but there was nothing else i could do...

well, i think i am done, this is probably the longest post on this forum, but i just needed to say what i feel too, it's sometimes not so funny to get the bad stuff over you when you just try to help...

Last but not least i want to make one thing absolutely clear about this post:
This post is NOT meant to be an attack to anyone that posted a message in this thread before i did, also the things i personally said to people in this thead are not meant to look like i am angry to those people, because i am not!

thanks for taking the time to read this post and if you have comments on it, please feel absolutely free to reply to it with how you feel it should be.

regards,
summersun

To Summersun:

Wow, that was indeed a long post, but you explained everything very clearly. I'll try to keep it short. :-)

First of all, one last time about the funcent thread. I was looking at it because a friend of mine was waiting in line to sign up. I know that she send you a pm and that you responded very fast. The way you solved the thread was in my opinion the only way to solve it.

Secondly: the rules in the downline builder. The rules are clear but does everybody read them? I think a lot of them do but I am sure there are a few that don't. Or maybe read them and then ignore them.

Then about the question that I raised "should there be more moderators?". I see your point when you say that with more mods you could create more problems, but you also have to take into consideration that this forum is growing like crazy. More members, more threads, more problems. And maybe for now 4 moderaters is enough, but if this forum keeps growing the way it is, I personally think that pretty soon 4 moderators won't be enough.

Well, I started this post saying I would keep this short, so I better stop now

Thanks for replying in this thread and explaining everything.

[ 06-06-2002, 02:42 AM: Message edited by: dollarsurfer ]

To Summersun,
I think you did a great (and do a great job)on the downline threads.

An Idea
I do have an idea about the two mods working on the same thread. When a mod starts to fix the thread then simply post mod in this thread as the last message of the thread then everyone knows a mod is there including the members.

Another idea
If people don't want to read the rules maybe we should have to post the rules in ever cmi message so that they are alway in view and not just on the first post of the thread.

Just some muttering now
I am in this site more than any other. I see how hard the mods work and try to make everyone happy. Keep up the good work.

To the members,
FOLLOW THE RULE AND THINGS WILL BE BETTER!

Thanks all for listening.

okay Summerson... Sorry it took so long to reply... first of all I want to say that I think you are great!!! Your the one I usually see fixing the problems.. I don't have an answer for you unfortunately... I think you did what you could here's a thought.. what if say the threadline looks like this

tommy completed
barry completed
simon got skipped
terry skipped simon
paul completed
Me completed

In this case if it was that Simon got skipped because he waited too long or what not maybe if he was there complaining then paul should get deleted the last good link would be barry then you could go down and put posts for paul and me putting us in line behind simon. So that way we are still in line like we were and we don't lose our spots because of what Terry did... You could go this is for Paul post your link Tina post your link here. so on so on... I don't know if that would work but It seems fair so that way no one loses for the ones that are waiting patiently... Of course I feel that if they were skipped because they did wait over the twenty minutes or they put up there cmo which I found out to mean count me out then there should be no recourse except maybe to the one that skipped tell that one person that they have to go to the back of the line?

One suggestion

I think a rule needs to be made to say if a person can't stay on line to do the signup instead of just leaving the post or putting cmo which I found out what it meant yesterday to say Delete your post and then if they continuly do it then ban them. That way people will not have to skip because the post will be deleted by the person and everyone moves up in line and no one has to wait for someone to tell them to skip?

also what about this??? what if you had someone on the forum at all times... Like I live in the USA so someone on this side of the world could handle problems while the moderators from the other side slept at night then vice versa then one could be up here doing their daytime while our time slept. That way someone would be up here all the time monitoring? I don't know if that's a good suggestion or not but it just might help. Or some kind of instant messaging between the moderators that are online seeing that they are up here and say hey I'm fixing this thread ok I'll fix this one then that way ya'll don't get confused cause previous poster said we would soon need more and I agree as this forum grows larger and larger eventually it will be too big for 4 people to handle... (which is a good thing about growing bigger right???)

But Lastly, I know you did what you could to fix the problem and I was just mad at the people that messed me up the "lame a**" lol.. So please take no offense to my post as I know you can only do so much and maybe if we can all figure out a way to fix the downline so that people don't have to skip that would be good and cause less confusion.. Thanks, Tipsy



[ 06-06-2002, 03:32 PM: Message edited by: tipsy ]

I have a solution to this. We could change the downline folder to a authorised only folder. What I mean by that is only authorised users could post a cmi there. This could solve a lot of problem.

1. Newbie could not join and cause a mess.
2. Cheaters cannot come in by just signing up another userid with a different ip and email address.
3. We could be more stringent on the rules so that everyone who participate could follow the rules.

But on the other side.

1. The folder will likely to have less participant and limit its usefulness.
2. Newbie need to wait to be authorised and what should be the criteria?
3. I need to manually edit the authorisation of 2000+ current members.

So whats your opinion?

firstly for summersun
"for lisa0967:
you state in your post that it is out of order what happened in the funcent thread, my question to you, please tell me how i could have fixed that thread in any other way?"

sorry you got me wrong i often leave out commars i didnt say what happened was out of order i was saying the new cmi's were out of order to what was posted b4

also i think it would be a good idea if the moderators posted that they are looking into a thread complaint

how about a rule that says if you break the rules in a thread (wether on purpose or not) you are banned from that thread. then if you habitually break the rules you get the perminant ban

an "authorised only folder" might work if it is opened to public forum after so many authorised users have joined

yeah that would be a good idea but a lot of work on the moderators... But I think what you are saying is have authorized users let them sign up for a program and when a preset limit is reached then all the one's that can't follow the rules can then join the programs last. Giving the one's that do follow the rules the right to get the first dibs on referrals and then let the one's who can't listen and follow rules have to wait until the limit then the moderator can somehow open it up to the rest. Course sometimes the newbies aren't always the problem... I Consider myself I newbie to the downline builder even though I've been a member for a while because I just realized what it was and even though I'm new to the builder I still read the rules and abide them. So then you have to figure who's considered a newbie.... cause they may have 100 posts and never gone to the builder... That would probably cause a conflict... to one's that have 10 posts but have been to the builder 100 times... I don't the answer I wished I did... but everyone keep posting maybe someone has an answer that will be good for both ends.. It's always good to hear suggestions cause it can only make everything better in the end.

[ 06-06-2002, 07:40 PM: Message edited by: tipsy ]

I didn't think that my suggestion to appoint a few more mods would stir up such a discussion. :-)

When I read the posts I think everything sounds way to complicated. The fewer rules the better. Make things too complicated and people will go somewhere else because they don't understand the rules or unintentionally break them. The rules as they are now are just fine. Don't mess with them please.

Banning somebody from a thread because they made an honest mistake is not a solution. Hey we all make mistakes sometimes.

Putting the threads in a folder which needs authorization might be a plan,(it worked for the old "All Advantage Forum"), but would mean a lot of extra work for the mods.

I honestly don't know what the solution is here, but please don't make it too complicated, because that will turn new (and possibly old) members away.

well my opinion about a closed folder is, that the problem is that only the administrator can add people, or block people from it?
second, if it would be possible somehow that the other moderators can add and block people too, i think it would be a great idea!!!
the way i think would work best is that averybody can go into the downline builder when they sign up to the forum, but that moderators can block them if they make too many "mistakes" or do skip or cheat intentionally.

isn't that what ya'll are already doing???

not really, if someone is banned now, it's from the entire forum, so it won't happen so much, but when you can block them from downline only, it would be faster, and people still can be on the forum then?

Summersun, I think that's a great idea. Just banning them from the DLbuilder and not the whole forum, I mean. Would that be difficult to implement?

And tipsy, you are right about it not always being newbies who break threads...some of the most seasoned members here with a lot of posts, experience, and knowledge sometimes break threads (for whatever reason--I'm not trying to say they do it maliciously, but a broken thread is a broken thread). Therefore, I do not agree with Igwong's idea of restricting the DLbuilder to "non-newbies". Just my 0.01999999 cents.

had to laugh rofl, lol, lmao..... I'm laughing about the cents part!!!! You must be a member of Zarditenovac??? ok I thought the note that says this people are on the watch list these people are banned what is that about? I do think that to ban people would be good.. that way if they can't follow the rules then they shouldn't be able to participate... Summerson did I post maybe I didn't I had another suggestion too... If you put up there cmi and then for some reason you can't wait till your turn then they should instead of putting cmo or just leaving and causing problems in the first place there should be a rule that they had to delete their post that way there should be no skips and then if people kept doing that causing people to have to wait then ban them... cause like that night with us the people we were waiting for wasn't even there.. which of course got people ansy which caused them to start skipping... but if those people had deleted their post then when people refreshed they would see they were gone and could continue the line without skipping anyone or bugging ya'll or having to wait for ya'll.. I think that would cause less problems.. whatcha think????
Ok bye now that just my 0.01999999 cents worth... lol...........


[ 06-07-2002, 01:31 AM: Message edited by: tipsy ]

You're right on the ball, tipsy...I was even gonna say "in homage to Zaraditenovac", but I figured the people that have been following those threads would get it...LOL

for tipsy:
first of all, could you please spell my name right?
second: as you have noticed, most people do not post a cmo message when they leave before they signed up, so i think that those persons also will not delete their messages?

also wouldn't it be esier if people left their chatter out of the downline thread or at least deleted it after the problem was fixed. put it where it belongs (in the complaints folder)

i have been looking at the thread for "important notice" and there is so much in there that the poor moderator wont know where to start fixing this

that is another reason why we need the moderator to post when they are looking into a thread

have a nice day

well there IS a rule that states that there are no other posts allowed in the downlinebuilder then the cmi's

So can any mod check Important-Notice please?
I am not a mod,but one member is asking me to help them?

[ 06-07-2002, 07:33 AM: Message edited by: ppprk ]

the thread is clean from messages that don't belong there, and for ppprk, i have replied in the complaints folder, please look there.
thanks in advance.

In my thinking, reason why people skip the person before is because the person's post is not valid, or maybe the person is gone, or maybe the person can not receive confirmation email, or anything else. And this person does not edit his/her message to say the reason why he/she has not put his/her referral link. This will make the next person confuse, don't know what to do.

So, my suggestion is that, just add another rule state that people need to say the reason why he/she has not put his/her referral link. So, the next person will know what to do next. I know people actually does not want to skip another person, but just because doesn't know what to do, they would think that "just skip him/her", "it already pass the limit time 20 minutes", "what's for I wait for him/her probably he/she is now sleeping, having fun or something else".

About making it as an authorised only folder, I am agree with it, but considering what Igwong has said that, he will need to manually input 2000 members, this will make a big problem (I think). Beside that, this forum is growing really fast, I think one day there are more than 10 new people sign up, so it is not easy to do that. Then, this is my suggestion, why don't we just also post the rules when we sign up in download thread. So, the next person will read the rules. After that, this person also needs to post the rules again, so that the next person will read the downline thread rules again.
Example:
Person 1 -->post his referral link, description of company, and rules.
Person 2 -->post CMI, referral link, and rules.
Person 3 -->post CMI, referral link, and rules.
.....
This will make everyone read the rules.
Oh yeah, but please only summary of the rules, don't make it too long. In this case, the moderator needs to make another summary of the rules which need to post in the sign up thread.

[ 06-07-2002, 08:09 AM: Message edited by: cloud^77 ]

Some of you suggest to add more rules 1.... 2.... 3.... , but the problem why there is skip is people don't adhere to the rules!

I agree that the simpler the rule, the more likely the thing will run smoothly. But even with the present set of rules things always break for unknown reason.

I know a private or close folder is not a very good idea. But if it stay in its current form, there will be skip everyday. We have 2000+ members and there are at least 100+ active in the downline thread, then 10+ newbie join the thread each day. It is difficult for members not making mistake. Not to talk about cheating.

So what I can say is, if we are going to keep the downline folder as is. We need to be more careful, tolerance and considerate.

Careful in the sense that you really follow all the rules as far as possible. One example is many members don't post signed under xxxxx. This makes the mod difficult when problem occurs.

Some members make mistake inadvertently and newbies are arriving each day. We need to tolerate all these. Actually we are quite forgiveful here. We give a warning only after a few skip and only banned a user if we think that he is really cheating. If any of you think that we should be more tight on the rules, raise your voice.

And the cmo is the most considerate thing to do when you are leaving the forum after posting a cmi but are not going to wait. These save a lot of time and make the signup smooth.

[ 06-07-2002, 04:49 PM: Message edited by: lgwong ]

Maybe having to add the rules below your post as a lot of ppl dnt look at the rules?

:just a thought?:

what about deleting the post rather than putting cmo as a newbie I didn't know what cmo meant. I didn't see that in the rules just the cmi? Wayne if they put the rules in the thread to start off with people are still not going to read and certain things are supposed to be on the first post not has to be but can.

I agree with you igwong regarding being patient with people. I try so hard too plus I know some of the problems are just honest mistakes and some are just down right cheating. But I do believe that most people on the boards do try to follow the rules...

[ 06-07-2002, 06:51 PM: Message edited by: tipsy ]

As I stated in an earlier post it would be a good idea for people to have to put the rules in each post then maybe more will read them and understand what is going on.

Also as I stated in an earlier post don't put cmo just delete the post. The cmo is confusing and I think causes alot of problems. Alot of people post cmo. Take a look at some of the post in the last couple of days there are alot of things in them that shouldn't be such as a cmo or a message about the program or a complaint. I think that is what the downline tread complaint folder is for or the general discussion folder. If there has been a skip then post a stop this thread and put everything else in the downline complaint folder for a Mod to look at. I also am guilty of that and in looking back over some of the treads have noticed that it does make it confusing to other and I am sorry. In the future I will not post any thing in the downline thread except cmi or my URL.

Now I know why my Dad always said I was long winded.

I agree I think cmo's are confusing too... just delete the post..

Just an idea of mine, and mostly a question for igwong:
Would it be possible to somehow make people HAVE to go through the rules folder before they can enter the downline builder? in other words, people click on the downlinebuilder, end up in the rules and then at the end of the rules there is a link, continue to downlinebuilder?
if that was possible somehow, people could never say they did not know the rules?
just a thought.
Also about the cmo thing, i added it to the post on top of the downlinebuilder, that people that leave the forum before signing up, have to post a cmo (count me out) message
summersun

[ 06-08-2002, 08:12 PM: Message edited by: summersun ]

omg its all happening again some people have sat and waited about 12 hours for a fix on this downline thread and not heard anything from the mods
http://www.getpaidforum.com/ultimatebb.php...c;f=15;t=000394

I didnot have time to read all the stuff above,but I think that if every user,after stating who he/shesigned up under posts directions to the next user, no one will have an excuse.
Example:
"I signed up under xxx. Next user, make sure you use my link: .........
or make sure that my referral id is on the form,to avoid being skipped.
Please post these directions to the next user
"
Also, sometimes users know how to fix a skip and manage to get everything working. But mods come after hours to delete all links asking us to start again.If the users fixed it by themselves, why to start it over?
In summary, I think that when all mods are not available, users can try to fix it by themselves,if worked correctly, keep it. If not, redo it.

[ 06-15-2002, 06:51 PM: Message edited by: cashfiesta ]

sorry cash but if users were allowed to fix it would open the door to skippers and cheaters what we users need is for the mods to post when they are fixing and maybe a roster for them so that users would know which mod is online to be fixing these problems

Anyway what i dont like is when sometimes mods delete all the signups after users managed to fix it.
if it is going fine, leave it. thats what i think about self-fixed thread.

but if you read the rules you can't self fix it only a moderator can skip... Plus our problem is with people that cmi and then leave... then we have to wait... I think the moderator's are doing what they can... plus if someone sits there and doesn't complain then the moderator can't know there is something wrong...

plus I think if people were able to self fix things there would probably be more problems...

[ 06-15-2002, 11:22 PM: Message edited by: tipsy ]