From reading all of the posts in all areas of this forum, I've come to notice how many people just love to complain about almost every PTR program under the sun. I'll admit, like everyone else, I like the high paying programs and getting emails worth more than 1/4 of a cent. However, I also understand that not all programs can afford to send out 5 and 10 cent emails every day. Some even have to resort to sending point mails that convert to cash in order to stay in business. That's not the webmaster's fault. People have to purchase advertising in order for the site to get the income to pay its members.
I also notice a lot of complaining when payments don't come at the snap of the member's fingers. Gold members and advertisers get paid first. Wouldn't that make sense, since they are the ones who provide income to the site? If advertisers aren't happy, then they don't purchase ads and that hurts US. If we want to see our payouts faster, then those of us that can, need to purchase ads. Some people seem He!!bent on trying to ruffle the feathers of webmasters. Don't they realize how childish that is? You wouldn't treat your boss that way, would you? I would hope not. Each of these programs are a business, although some are unlawful because they don't pay.
I can think of one program/webmistress who does pay. I've never had any complaints with her. However, she gets bombarded on a daily basis from people deleted for cheating (which by the way she doesn't look for herself. She has someone else take care of that). She also gets emails from impatient people who want their payouts. They seem to have the impression that the world revolves around them. It's true, I'm waiting for payout also, but I'm not going to moan because it's taking longer than I would like. That's life; that's business; that's what happens in a program with a RANDOM payout. I am referring to Colleen of PaidMailInc. In her latest post of today in the PMI support folder on this site, she is contemplating selling the program to another webmaster/webmistress and will have a decision within the next 30 days. All of this because of her emotions being taxed to the limit.
What is wrong with people? This isn't a career for us members and this isn't supposed to be a fulltime job. It's supposed to be F-U-N. The fun is being taken out of the GPT industry because of all the constant complaining for no important, valid reason.
Full Version: When too much, is too much
oh no 
If I lose paidmail inc I quit! Lost mokercash yesterday and between the 2 of them there was a lot of advertsing to be had with points, I could care less about the money from these sites as I wont get rich from them but darn the ads I get are more woth it! I am waiting payment on pmi also but I dont care , I reminded her in case I got lost and that is it, I trust her, know she will pay me and shes a very nice and caring w/m that I do not wanna lose I really think if she quits I am going thru my list, deleting all but maybe 5 programs (cause thats all I can think of right off the bat that I truely like or enjoy and trust the w/m and if they leave too the heck with it, I will just do my surveys and points places (like my points) where I know I will get payed fast and they have been around a long time and I dont have to do 100 emails to make anyhting. I am so tired of w/m`s taking off and making it hard for the honest ones to make it. there are honest ones, lots of them, but they suffer from the ones that just up and quit. I think in the end it is what makes the good ones like mokercash and pmi want to leave the buiseness, there is no trust any more and people are always thinking the worst cause of a few bad w/m`s (and members cause we all know there are a lot of cheaters out there too )I hope colleen decides to stay, she will be missed too much and I truely think if she goes I am quiting most of the programs I belong to cause I cant take another good one elaving, in the end I think they will all leave us cause it seems this buiseness is going to h e hockey sticks (thats ok to say right? even my kids are allowed lOL)
well good luck all, jee I am feeling really bad about this buiseness right now
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| Gold members and advertisers get paid first. |
Can I ask where you're getting that idea from? I can see what you're saying about Gold Members (they get paid first in the sense that they usually have a lower minimum payout or no minimum), but I'm not aware of any PTR that has a policy of paying members who have advertised before they pay members who have not advertised. I thought they were supposed to pay members in the order in which they cashed out...
| QUOTE (karlaerin @ Nov 11 2003, 03:55 AM) |
| From reading all of the posts in all areas of this forum, I've come to notice how many people just love to complain about almost every PTR program under the sun. I'll admit, like everyone else, I like the high paying programs and getting emails worth more than 1/4 of a cent. However, I also understand that not all programs can afford to send out 5 and 10 cent emails every day. Some even have to resort to sending point mails that convert to cash in order to stay in business. That's not the webmaster's fault. People have to purchase advertising in order for the site to get the income to pay its members. I also notice a lot of complaining when payments don't come at the snap of the member's fingers. Gold members and advertisers get paid first. Wouldn't that make sense, since they are the ones who provide income to the site? If advertisers aren't happy, then they don't purchase ads and that hurts US. If we want to see our payouts faster, then those of us that can, need to purchase ads. Some people seem He!!bent on trying to ruffle the feathers of webmasters. Don't they realize how childish that is? You wouldn't treat your boss that way, would you? I would hope not. Each of these programs are a business, although some are unlawful because they don't pay. I can think of one program/webmistress who does pay. I've never had any complaints with her. However, she gets bombarded on a daily basis from people deleted for cheating (which by the way she doesn't look for herself. She has someone else take care of that). She also gets emails from impatient people who want their payouts. They seem to have the impression that the world revolves around them. It's true, I'm waiting for payout also, but I'm not going to moan because it's taking longer than I would like. That's life; that's business; that's what happens in a program with a RANDOM payout. I am referring to Colleen of PaidMailInc. In her latest post of today in the PMI support folder on this site, she is contemplating selling the program to another webmaster/webmistress and will have a decision within the next 30 days. All of this because of her emotions being taxed to the limit. What is wrong with people? This isn't a career for us members and this isn't supposed to be a fulltime job. It's supposed to be F-U-N. The fun is being taken out of the GPT industry because of all the constant complaining for no important, valid reason. |
Sorry karlaerin but i think you are dead wrong about whose job it is to keep a gptr program going. If a program is in trouble then how can it not be the webmasters fault? It is not up to the members to buy ads if it is then it shouldnt be called get paid to read email it should be called pay money to advertise. If a program relies on its member to buy ads then that program is in trouble and that is the webmasters fault. A lot of programs are going to go out of business because they cant get enough advertisers and part of the reason why is because lots of people think advertising with gptr programs is a big waste of money. They are paying members to click links but they are not getting results for their advertisers. That is not necessarily the fault of the webmaster but maybe it is just the way this business is.
I agree with you that members should not complain about getting paid UNTIL they have waited longer than the time given in the Terms. If the Terms say members will be paid in 30 days and a member has waited longer than 30 days, they have every right to complain. Why shouldnt webmasters have to follow their own rules?
I don't really know Colleen and i am not in her PaidmailInc program but i will say that just because you personally like her and are willing to wait patiently for your money does not mean everybody else should. If members are waiting longer than the agreed time for their payment they have every right to complain. If a member feels like they were deleted unfairly why shouldnt they come here and complain about it? I know a lot of people are deleted because they are cheaters and they come in here and post about evil webmasters running scams, but those people are usually sorted out pretty quickly. Maybe its just possible that sometimes a person is deleted when they didnt deserve it?
Maybe for you GPTR is all about having fun. I think other people take it a lot more seriously. I have talked to people who have been clicking links all year and saving all their earnings and for some of them getting paid what theyve earned means the difference between whether their kids get xmas presents this year or not. When people dont get paid the money they have earned it is NOT fun.
And if colleen or any other webmaster cant handle the pressure of running their business then by all means they should get out of it and find something they CAN handle -- of course they should pay all their members first and not just disappear.
well said melrogers!
I agree 100%
I agree 100%
| QUOTE (pearl @ Nov 10 2003, 05:15 PM) | ||
Can I ask where you're getting that idea from? I can see what you're saying about Gold Members (they get paid first in the sense that they usually have a lower minimum payout or no minimum), but I'm not aware of any PTR that has a policy of paying members who have advertised before they pay members who have not advertised. I thought they were supposed to pay members in the order in which they cashed out... |
I pay gold members at a $1 minimum on PJ, and thus they get paid more often than regular members. I can do that because they've given me MONEY for their membership and ads and I'd darn well BETTER be able to pay them with that same money, lol!
If someone is waiting on a PTR payout to buy their kids Xmas presents, there's something seriously wrong. I get paid more from MySurvey than I have from any PTR, with the notable exception of Tasia's Paid Links.
If they need PTR to buy presents, they should cancel the internet subscription, sell the computer, and spend the time working part time somewhere. If they are disabled or whatever, then they should go to their local Division of Vocational Rehabilitation. PTR is NOT going to make most people a bundle of money.
Apply to process HUD loans at the IRS website, if you must work at home on the PC, THEY do pay, lmao, and much better too!
If they need PTR to buy presents, they should cancel the internet subscription, sell the computer, and spend the time working part time somewhere. If they are disabled or whatever, then they should go to their local Division of Vocational Rehabilitation. PTR is NOT going to make most people a bundle of money.
Apply to process HUD loans at the IRS website, if you must work at home on the PC, THEY do pay, lmao, and much better too!
I am afraid I do not understand the philosophy going on here. The advertisements say get paid to read emails. The front pages of the PTREs promise that a person will make money if they just join and click. The advertisements that we all send out on the various PTREs say that a person will make money if they just click and read.
The "promise" is that we will get paid money if we read and click. The "promise" is that if someone reads and clicks - and reads and clicks long enough they will make enough money to make some kind of difference.
Nowhere have I seen anywhere the advertisement to join for the "fun" of this - read emails for the "fun" of it. "We're not going to pay you anything because you are having so much fun reading these advertisements."
See how many people would join if you didn't promise them money and then we will know how many people are really doing this as a hobby or for the "fun" of it.
The "promise" is that we will get paid money if we read and click. The "promise" is that if someone reads and clicks - and reads and clicks long enough they will make enough money to make some kind of difference.
Nowhere have I seen anywhere the advertisement to join for the "fun" of this - read emails for the "fun" of it. "We're not going to pay you anything because you are having so much fun reading these advertisements."
See how many people would join if you didn't promise them money and then we will know how many people are really doing this as a hobby or for the "fun" of it.
for fun no way you think clicking is fun it really sucks and it sucks worse to get you cash stolen and as for sell the computer and get rid of the internet well
kids today need to have a computer in the home to be able to compete in school and do assignments. its not like it was when we were kids the basic fact is. I cllick to pay the phone bill and internet bill so my kids have access to the net. and dont say oh they can go to a library and use a computer cause driving them back and forth would cost more in the long run and you cant get anything done in one hour a day they give you even if you can get to use one.
basically i am here for the cash if I follow their rules clikc, search, read then i expect them to pay when they say they will or just threw all the rules out the door.
kids today need to have a computer in the home to be able to compete in school and do assignments. its not like it was when we were kids the basic fact is. I cllick to pay the phone bill and internet bill so my kids have access to the net. and dont say oh they can go to a library and use a computer cause driving them back and forth would cost more in the long run and you cant get anything done in one hour a day they give you even if you can get to use one.
basically i am here for the cash if I follow their rules clikc, search, read then i expect them to pay when they say they will or just threw all the rules out the door.
| QUOTE (Brenda@PJ @ Nov 11 2003, 09:41 AM) |
| If someone is waiting on a PTR payout to buy their kids Xmas presents, there's something seriously wrong. I get paid more from MySurvey than I have from any PTR, with the notable exception of Tasia's Paid Links. If they need PTR to buy presents, they should cancel the internet subscription, sell the computer, and spend the time working part time somewhere. If they are disabled or whatever, then they should go to their local Division of Vocational Rehabilitation. PTR is NOT going to make most people a bundle of money. Apply to process HUD loans at the IRS website, if you must work at home on the PC, THEY do pay, lmao, and much better too! |
There is something seriously wrong if people are trying to make money in GPTR programs? Brenda it says in your profile you are a program owner i guess you dont want people to join your program?
Why are so many people spending so much time, money and energy on these programs if they can't expect to make anything?
I see that your program Pocket Jingle has a minimum pay of $5 now surely if that program is any good then members should be able to earn enough to cash out every six months. I dont know Brenda i am not a member of your program but i would think if a person couldnt expect to earn 3 cents a day from a GPTR they should probably quit it and join one that pays more. I know you can only send links if you have advertisers so if you cant find enough advertisers to send 3 cents worth of emails a day what is the point?
So if a person could get paid $5 every six months, and they were in 20 or 30 programs, which seems to be a reasonable number from what i have heard people say here, then that would be $300 a year in earnings. Now $300 for xmas presents might not be much for some families but i think for others it would make a big difference when xmas comes around.
But maybe you are right Brenda and all your members should quit your program and go get a real job processing loans or something.
I am temperarily disabled (for over a year now and it will be probably another 6 months to maybe a year if the surgery goes well...prays it works) I do this because I need extra money, I can not work because I am in bed 99% of the time, cant sit up it puts me in severe pain, walking makes the pains shoot down my legs and so does driving. Not many jobs you can do in bed plus the fact that I am on workmans comp and cant get a real job till my backs fixed. I make enough to pay living expenses, rent, electric, phone, cable ,internet,water, and trash gas fpr the car when I need a ride to dr`s offices. I take most of my earnings 9wich arent much in the ptr buiseness) and out it toward xmas but it does help. But I like belonging to a program that sends out trivia or jokes with a email, it lightenes the mood, cause we are clicking for tenths of a penny here and when they make it a lil more interesting it is kinda fun....no its not fun like going to a carnival or somehting like that, but then I cant go to a carnival, I have to lay in this bed, whine to my self that my back hurts, and I come here for soemthing to do that may pay me in the end. It is true, you will never make millions in this buiseness, but pocket change can help with christmas ora birthday present. I happen to like the w/m`s who add a silly link to a email (got one the other day, payed, to pick a nose, was funny and made me smile andddd I got payed to do it, so yes it can be fun. I even got one from somewhere ... here go to it, its not the payed link, and tell me if this wouldnt make you smile while doing emails? I sure did, click on all the horses 
http://svt.se/hogafflahage/hogafflaHage_si...or/hestekor.swf its not a paid link and its just a page with horses that sing on it so hopefully it doesnt get edited out, its a great stress relever. any way, now ya know what I meant about fun. plus some w/m`s are very caring and will talk to you if you are willing to (cause I am sure there are many members who do not want to chat) I happen to be the one who likes to know who my w/m is, like to know they care, they are real and have problems just like me, that they care for people, and for the most part I think many do but from what I am seeing lately the really good ones want to leave I hope them all the best and just sad to see them go
http://svt.se/hogafflahage/hogafflaHage_si...or/hestekor.swf its not a paid link and its just a page with horses that sing on it so hopefully it doesnt get edited out, its a great stress relever. any way, now ya know what I meant about fun. plus some w/m`s are very caring and will talk to you if you are willing to (cause I am sure there are many members who do not want to chat) I happen to be the one who likes to know who my w/m is, like to know they care, they are real and have problems just like me, that they care for people, and for the most part I think many do but from what I am seeing lately the really good ones want to leave I hope them all the best and just sad to see them go
| QUOTE (deathstalker @ Nov 10 2003, 10:11 PM) |
| as for sell the computer and get rid of the internet well kids today need to have a computer in the home to be able to compete in school and do assignments. its not like it was when we were kids the basic fact is. I cllick to pay the phone bill and internet bill so my kids have access to the net. and dont say oh they can go to a library and use a computer cause driving them back and forth would cost more in the long run and you cant get anything done in one hour a day they give you even if you can get to use one. |
Schools have libraries with computers and plenty of them. If you live in a place where your kids aren't within a bike ride's distance from a library well then that's just silly, but not your fault. The same information available on the Internet is available in dictionaries and encyclopedias, which are usually more accurate. I know many people in my school and in my grade who have no computer and no internet and they get by perfectly fine.
So there you have it, testimony from a student himself,
Sincerely,
Jake Stichler, Junior, CCHS class o' 2005
| QUOTE (ruhappytoseeme @ Nov 11 2003, 12:55 PM) |
| I am temperarily disabled (for over a year now and it will be probably another 6 months to maybe a year if the surgery goes well...prays it works) I do this because I need extra money, I can not work because I am in bed 99% of the time, cant sit up it puts me in severe pain, walking makes the pains shoot down my legs and so does driving. Not many jobs you can do in bed plus the fact that I am on workmans comp and cant get a real job till my backs fixed. I make enough to pay living expenses, rent, electric, phone, cable ,internet,water, and trash gas fpr the car when I need a ride to dr`s offices. I take most of my earnings 9wich arent much in the ptr buiseness) and out it toward xmas but it does help. But I like belonging to a program that sends out trivia or jokes with a email, it lightenes the mood, cause we are clicking for tenths of a penny here and when they make it a lil more interesting it is kinda fun....no its not fun like going to a carnival or somehting like that, but then I cant go to a carnival, I have to lay in this bed, whine to my self that my back hurts, and I come here for soemthing to do that may pay me in the end. It is true, you will never make millions in this buiseness, but pocket change can help with christmas ora birthday present. I happen to like the w/m`s who add a silly link to a email (got one the other day, payed, to pick a nose, was funny and made me smile andddd I got payed to do it, so yes it can be fun. I even got one from somewhere ... here go to it, its not the payed link, and tell me if this wouldnt make you smile while doing emails? I sure did, click on all the horses http://svt.se/hogafflahage/hogafflaHage_si...or/hestekor.swf its not a paid link and its just a page with horses that sing on it so hopefully it doesnt get edited out, its a great stress relever. any way, now ya know what I meant about fun. plus some w/m`s are very caring and will talk to you if you are willing to (cause I am sure there are many members who do not want to chat) I happen to be the one who likes to know who my w/m is, like to know they care, they are real and have problems just like me, that they care for people, and for the most part I think many do but from what I am seeing lately the really good ones want to leave I hope them all the best and just sad to see them go |
Sorry to hear about your problems and hope things improve for you soon.
I too am on disability and cannot get REAL work and it is nice when you can get a laugh from some of the sites.
My daughter must belong to the same program as you because the other day she just burst out laughing and then turned her sound up louder so I could hear as well.
It was the link you posted above.
Good luck for your future
i tend to agree with the majority of what you say
but its the parameters
if a program cant fullfill the tos they wrote i feel complaints are in order no matter what the circumstance
but its the parameters
if a program cant fullfill the tos they wrote i feel complaints are in order no matter what the circumstance
| QUOTE (Lancer Sykera @ Nov 10 2003, 09:58 PM) | ||
Schools have libraries with computers and plenty of them. If you live in a place where your kids aren't within a bike ride's distance from a library well then that's just silly, but not your fault. The same information available on the Internet is available in dictionaries and encyclopedias, which are usually more accurate. I know many people in my school and in my grade who have no computer and no internet and they get by perfectly fine. So there you have it, testimony from a student himself, Sincerely, Jake Stichler, Junior, CCHS class o' 2005 |
well I know my library in my town as well as the library in every town I've lived in which is 3 has not had but one library and it wasn't a brisk bike ride away not to mention depending on the child's age with this cruel world I'd be scared to send my child off to the library by him/herself. and then what do you do if the teacher asks the child to look up something on a specific website and answer questions? I have two school age children and the teachers have sent homework on this. Those without a puter would be out of luck unless they carry their children to the local library. In fact my younger brother the school told my parents that he needed a computer for his lessons which is the only reason my parents bought one for him. So a computer is needed in this day and time. Plus have you ever priced encyclopedias? I mean up to date versions? Needless to say a cheap internet service could last a lot longer than a set of them and have more up to date information unless your going to buy a new set of encyclopedias each year...
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| kids today need to have a computer in the home to be able to compete in school |
COMPETE!?!?!? Why in the flyin please do not try to beat word sensor do they need to COMPETE in school!?!? I'm assuming academics and not sports based on the context, but why do they need to compete? So they graduate 5th grade in the top of their class? Kids should never feel like they are competing in school, what a way to shoot down and kick around the kids who don't do so well. Even in high school when you want to be valedictorian (sp?) even then we/they shouldn't be in a competitive atmosphere or feel like they are, all that will do is hurt them.
Tipsy, all I can say is that's dumb that they do that. What YOU should do is call the teacher or go in set up a conference with them and tell them that you have no computer or internet access and I'm sure they can do something for your child, such as an alternate assignment based on the same topic and same information. Aslo, like I said, schools have libraries with oodles of computers. I remember in middle school 3 days out of the week they had a thing after school where kids could stay after in the library to use the resources there. As for elementary school, they really shouldn't be doing that there. Kids are losing their childhood as it is.
I didn't mean it like that.. I used the wrong wording.. I meant in regards to completing activities/homework set forth by the teacher in order to obtain a good grade...
also about telling teachers that you don't have the resources.. Trust me in dealing with teachers as a parent and as a previous student (which wasn't that long ago) most teachers are not going to accomodate parents for changes in their curriculum. (sry Spelling)
but they do use computers in elementary school.. shoot they used computers in elementary when I was in elementary and that was back when floppy disks were actually floppy lol but even then when the children are working on computers they are doing things to learn about computers, they are not given time to work on homework assignments.
I can still remember my parents having to drag me to the library to use a type writer and they at that time couldn't afford to buy me one but yet the teacher didn't care she wanted it typed so I had to go to the library.
and you can't stay after school unless you are involved in some sort of after school program none of which includes you access to computers.
also about telling teachers that you don't have the resources.. Trust me in dealing with teachers as a parent and as a previous student (which wasn't that long ago) most teachers are not going to accomodate parents for changes in their curriculum. (sry Spelling)
but they do use computers in elementary school.. shoot they used computers in elementary when I was in elementary and that was back when floppy disks were actually floppy lol but even then when the children are working on computers they are doing things to learn about computers, they are not given time to work on homework assignments.
I can still remember my parents having to drag me to the library to use a type writer and they at that time couldn't afford to buy me one but yet the teacher didn't care she wanted it typed so I had to go to the library.
and you can't stay after school unless you are involved in some sort of after school program none of which includes you access to computers.
Perhaps you should suggest a program such as the one I described? If you have time to go to a school board meeting or something, or even writing a letter to a principal. Never hurts to try.
Oh, and I'm not trying to beat the censor, thank you, because I know if I would have used an *asterik* there would have been no problem. Actually in my opinion tis better to eliminate letters altogether rather than *** certain letters out. Specifically vowels. And heck I've seen people using symbols to make words that are censored! Just today I saw someone say something and it had been there quite a while and wasn't done anything about. Don't think I'm arguing, either, I have the right to my opinion, I didn't attack you, etc. Just explaining. It's like me saying hello and you editing it because I added a letter to the end. Come on.
Oh, and I'm not trying to beat the censor, thank you, because I know if I would have used an *asterik* there would have been no problem. Actually in my opinion tis better to eliminate letters altogether rather than *** certain letters out. Specifically vowels. And heck I've seen people using symbols to make words that are censored! Just today I saw someone say something and it had been there quite a while and wasn't done anything about. Don't think I'm arguing, either, I have the right to my opinion, I didn't attack you, etc. Just explaining. It's like me saying hello and you editing it because I added a letter to the end. Come on.
And yes, I had compys in elementary school too, in fact my first computer was nothing but DOS with the good old floppy floppy 5.25 disks.
| QUOTE (Lancer Sykera @ Nov 10 2003, 10:38 PM) |
| Perhaps you should suggest a program such as the one I described? If you have time to go to a school board meeting or something, or even writing a letter to a principal. Never hurts to try. Oh, and I'm not trying to beat the censor, thank you, because I know if I would have used an *asterik* there would have been no problem. Actually in my opinion tis better to eliminate letters altogether rather than *** certain letters out. Specifically vowels. And heck I've seen people using symbols to make words that are censored! Just today I saw someone say something and it had been there quite a while and wasn't done anything about. Don't think I'm arguing, either, I have the right to my opinion, I didn't attack you, etc. Just explaining. It's like me saying hello and you editing it because I added a letter to the end. Come on. |
Well I personally have no problems with the children doing their work online since I'm online anyways for my sites. I was just giving explanations as to why some parents need internet access. And your right going to a school board meeting might be a good thing however you must have permission prior to the board meeting to speak and they decide whether to let you talk or not.. lol so if your subject isn't deemed important to discuss you get passed over... it's just hard in the state I live in....
well just following rules... Don't make them... it's actually better to not curse or try to curse at all than to do so by leaving specific letters so that the word sensor won't pick it up and put the *'s... but thank you for your suggestion
| QUOTE (runner @ Nov 11 2003, 11:03 AM) |
| [/QUOTE] Sorry to hear about your problems and hope things improve for you soon. I too am on disability and cannot get REAL work and it is nice when you can get a laugh from some of the sites. My daughter must belong to the same program as you because the other day she just burst out laughing and then turned her sound up louder so I could hear as well. It was the link you posted above. Good luck for your future |
Thank you very much and I hope all goes well for you to
and the horses they are cute huh? LOL
next 2 paragraphs are to Lancer Sykera and Billy and anyone else talking about computers or tos and payments LOL
about computers and kids, it is a sad fact in my town that you HAVE to have a computer and internet for your kids, one of my childs teacher makes her do her homework on a computer (sometimes taking 3 to 4 hours to get done) and then she has to email it to the teacher
I think they depend on them way to much and I dont know what kids are supposed to do when they dont have one (luckily my kids have a dinasaur computer, its sow and crashes a lot but they can get homework done on it) They have teachers that tell them to go online and look up certain names they are talking about in class, my daughter trys to do that in computer class but they have assignments they have to do in there and half the time she can never get to her work in there. Sadly computers are getting more and more a nessesity for school home work then ever before and the kids without it have to go to a library wich where I live the nearest one is 20 mines away, you get a 1 hour time limit a day! and that is if you are lucky enough to get there before the lines start (guess there are many kids who ont have computers, plus some adults that computers crashed and they need to do somehting on one. so I can understand doing ptr for internet payments, makes sence to me, not only do we adults need the computers but so ddo our children.and about tos and payments, pmi was bought with a huge debt, colleen is trying so hard to pay everyone, I realize this is why we do this, to end up with some money at some point, but we have to be understanding sometimes and realize that maybe sometimes they cant pay as many as they would like, as fast as they would like. I believe (if she stayed) after a few more months she will get a better handle on the back pay and things will look better, but she needs members that are supporting her emotionaly, she has tried and tried to explain what she is doing, she has asked people to email her with out paymentoption if its been a while and she will take care of it. I emailed her and she didnt have any funds at this moment in paypal , asked me for egold wich |I dont have egold and dont trust it so I will have to wait till her regular payment schedual, wich is fine with me , I know she will pay me, shes honest, shes kind, and she is trying (well if she sells it I guess she wont be trying any more
)any way I wish everyone good luck, I hope all get what they want in one way or another, I really hate seeing so many sad or mad posts, Im thinking about lleaving this forum cause it seems more and more lately no one is happy, we all need some happy pills (me included LOL) altho I would prefer something to take this darn back pain away!!! have a good one all, hugssssssssssss
Haha, I was just gonna ask you if you happened to be from the south, and lo and behold, North Carolina here I come... Well, actually, no, I'd prefer to stay out of the south, don't take it too personally 
I'm not stereotyping, not saying all southerners are like this, but in my experiences southerners aren't too... aww heck the word was just in my head.... leniant... no... rawr dang don't you hate when that happens??? Tolerant? Well, yeah not too tolerant, but not what I was looking for..... aarrgghh.... aaahhh..... well, whatever. They don't like things, okay? Haha that really says a lot well I don't know what word, but I was leading up to a story. I don't know if you heard of this. Some girl, I'm pretty sure from the south, wore shirts with anarchist messages written all over them. Well, the school didn't like this because they were a bunch of..... pee pee's..... and she had to go to a school board meeting and the people there, who knew about this girl, absolutely tore her apart. Why? Because they were a bunch of ignorant.... (H minus 2 letters)-bombs. Now, I am not siding with this girl becuase I have strong anarchist beliefs as well, I'm siding with her because I believe in rights. And some common friggin sense. She had anti-war messages on her shirts, and a bunch of the parents assumed that she wanted our soldiers to die over there wherever they were at the time, which was exact the opposite, she wanted the soldiers home with their families safe and sound. Ah yes, it was all because she wanted to start an anarchist club in school, which totally makes sense, because come on, we have Fellowship of Christian Athletes, Students for Christ, Young Republicans Club, clubs that kids started because they wanted to get together with other kids who felt the same way on stuff as them, which is exactly what this girl wanted to do. I am seriously surprised that she did not try to kill herself, because they absolutely tore her apart at that school board meeting like you would not believe. There's like a 2 second clip of her either there or in a courthouse in the movie Bowling For Columbine (which i am not condoning you watch because it is extremely anti-gun biased) mixed in with a bunch of other stuff and I don't remember what he commented on it it was only like a sentence within a sentence, he was rambling on about all of the clips that were coming on for 2 seconds, but anyway.... aaahhhh, INTOLERANT!!!!!! That's the word!!! I was convinced it started with an F. Like I said, not being stereotypical, I'm sure there are some people in the south with tolerance, but personal experience has shown me that if there are they've been lynched already. These personal experiences include not only the anarchy issue, but my former die-hard Atheistic beliefs, and my current Wiccan beliefs. It seems as though southerners just plain don't like people.
Oh, and by the way, the north won 
^^^I had to, I so sorry!
I'm not stereotyping, not saying all southerners are like this, but in my experiences southerners aren't too... aww heck the word was just in my head.... leniant... no... rawr dang don't you hate when that happens??? Tolerant? Well, yeah not too tolerant, but not what I was looking for..... aarrgghh.... aaahhh..... well, whatever. They don't like things, okay? Haha that really says a lot well I don't know what word, but I was leading up to a story. I don't know if you heard of this. Some girl, I'm pretty sure from the south, wore shirts with anarchist messages written all over them. Well, the school didn't like this because they were a bunch of..... pee pee's..... and she had to go to a school board meeting and the people there, who knew about this girl, absolutely tore her apart. Why? Because they were a bunch of ignorant.... (H minus 2 letters)-bombs. Now, I am not siding with this girl becuase I have strong anarchist beliefs as well, I'm siding with her because I believe in rights. And some common friggin sense. She had anti-war messages on her shirts, and a bunch of the parents assumed that she wanted our soldiers to die over there wherever they were at the time, which was exact the opposite, she wanted the soldiers home with their families safe and sound. Ah yes, it was all because she wanted to start an anarchist club in school, which totally makes sense, because come on, we have Fellowship of Christian Athletes, Students for Christ, Young Republicans Club, clubs that kids started because they wanted to get together with other kids who felt the same way on stuff as them, which is exactly what this girl wanted to do. I am seriously surprised that she did not try to kill herself, because they absolutely tore her apart at that school board meeting like you would not believe. There's like a 2 second clip of her either there or in a courthouse in the movie Bowling For Columbine (which i am not condoning you watch because it is extremely anti-gun biased) mixed in with a bunch of other stuff and I don't remember what he commented on it it was only like a sentence within a sentence, he was rambling on about all of the clips that were coming on for 2 seconds, but anyway.... aaahhhh, INTOLERANT!!!!!! That's the word!!! I was convinced it started with an F. Like I said, not being stereotypical, I'm sure there are some people in the south with tolerance, but personal experience has shown me that if there are they've been lynched already. These personal experiences include not only the anarchy issue, but my former die-hard Atheistic beliefs, and my current Wiccan beliefs. It seems as though southerners just plain don't like people.Oh, and by the way, the north won
^^^I had to, I so sorry!
And this whole 1 hour time limit thing.... I've never seen this myself, I can understand if there's a line but that's about it really....
The school my daughter goes to has NO after-school program(s) allowing the kids to use the computers. The local public library is only open until 5:00 p.m. on SCHOOL nights and not at all on weekends! If my kids did NOT have a computer available at home, they could NOT get their homework done!
We live in one of the most hypocritical areas/cultures I have had the displeasure of sharing. Teachers make demands on children and families without regard to the resources available to the families and then demand that our children perform perfectly in school. Yet the teachers, themselves, are incapable of instructing - they have spent four years studying 'Education' and usually only one year studying the subject they have elected to teach. Thank you, it USED to be four years (and a Bachelors' Degree) learning your subject, and only ONE of 'Teaching/Education' - and, THANK YOU, kids actually received some sort of a REAL education!
I live in a semi-rural area and most families live/work on farms at minimum wage; the school district no longer provides 'basic' school supplies (such as scissors in classrooms, chalk for the teachers - no joke, the kids are REQUIRED to supply a box of chalk each year at the beginning of the year as part of their 'supplies list', tissue for a runny nose - bring three boxes at the start of the year, etc.). The best question here is: Since the US is supposed to be such a hot-shot about educating children, why aren't the Federal Funds given to schools used to EDUCATE?
We live in one of the most hypocritical areas/cultures I have had the displeasure of sharing. Teachers make demands on children and families without regard to the resources available to the families and then demand that our children perform perfectly in school. Yet the teachers, themselves, are incapable of instructing - they have spent four years studying 'Education' and usually only one year studying the subject they have elected to teach. Thank you, it USED to be four years (and a Bachelors' Degree) learning your subject, and only ONE of 'Teaching/Education' - and, THANK YOU, kids actually received some sort of a REAL education!
I live in a semi-rural area and most families live/work on farms at minimum wage; the school district no longer provides 'basic' school supplies (such as scissors in classrooms, chalk for the teachers - no joke, the kids are REQUIRED to supply a box of chalk each year at the beginning of the year as part of their 'supplies list', tissue for a runny nose - bring three boxes at the start of the year, etc.). The best question here is: Since the US is supposed to be such a hot-shot about educating children, why aren't the Federal Funds given to schools used to EDUCATE?
Pearl,
PMI has a policy of Random Payout. Plus, I get that idea from the webmistress herself. She said she tries to pay gold members and advertisers (the ones who actually purchase advertising. Not the ones who redeem for free ads) first.
PMI has a policy of Random Payout. Plus, I get that idea from the webmistress herself. She said she tries to pay gold members and advertisers (the ones who actually purchase advertising. Not the ones who redeem for free ads) first.
| QUOTE (Wenmouse @ Nov 11 2003, 12:12 PM) |
| The school my daughter goes to has NO after-school program(s) allowing the kids to use the computers. The local public library is only open until 5:00 p.m. on SCHOOL nights and not at all on weekends! If my kids did NOT have a computer available at home, they could NOT get their homework done! We live in one of the most hypocritical areas/cultures I have had the displeasure of sharing. Teachers make demands on children and families without regard to the resources available to the families and then demand that our children perform perfectly in school. Yet the teachers, themselves, are incapable of instructing - they have spent four years studying 'Education' and usually only one year studying the subject they have elected to teach. Thank you, it USED to be four years (and a Bachelors' Degree) learning your subject, and only ONE of 'Teaching/Education' - and, THANK YOU, kids actually received some sort of a REAL education! I live in a semi-rural area and most families live/work on farms at minimum wage; the school district no longer provides 'basic' school supplies (such as scissors in classrooms, chalk for the teachers - no joke, the kids are REQUIRED to supply a box of chalk each year at the beginning of the year as part of their 'supplies list', tissue for a runny nose - bring three boxes at the start of the year, etc.). The best question here is: Since the US is supposed to be such a hot-shot about educating children, why aren't the Federal Funds given to schools used to EDUCATE? |
pay for chalk
wtheyow thats bad. here we have to pay for the kidrs supplies (after grade school) Bur definately need computers. and yes here there are lines of kid waiting in the libry to do homeowrk, the library has a one hour limit so that most gets a little time| QUOTE (Wenmouse @ Nov 11 2003, 04:12 AM) |
| The school my daughter goes to has NO after-school program(s) allowing the kids to use the computers. The local public library is only open until 5:00 p.m. on SCHOOL nights and not at all on weekends! If my kids did NOT have a computer available at home, they could NOT get their homework done! We live in one of the most hypocritical areas/cultures I have had the displeasure of sharing. Teachers make demands on children and families without regard to the resources available to the families and then demand that our children perform perfectly in school. Yet the teachers, themselves, are incapable of instructing - they have spent four years studying 'Education' and usually only one year studying the subject they have elected to teach. Thank you, it USED to be four years (and a Bachelors' Degree) learning your subject, and only ONE of 'Teaching/Education' - and, THANK YOU, kids actually received some sort of a REAL education! I live in a semi-rural area and most families live/work on farms at minimum wage; the school district no longer provides 'basic' school supplies (such as scissors in classrooms, chalk for the teachers - no joke, the kids are REQUIRED to supply a box of chalk each year at the beginning of the year as part of their 'supplies list', tissue for a runny nose - bring three boxes at the start of the year, etc.). The best question here is: Since the US is supposed to be such a hot-shot about educating children, why aren't the Federal Funds given to schools used to EDUCATE? |
Wow, education in my country is free. Even the university students get free education (no charges for going to the university or for lecturers etc) In addition to this, students from low income families get a monthly allowance. Hostel facilities are provided as well.
The only thing we need to buy if we put our children to a government school is books and stuff. Even the text books are given free. Even private school children get text books free
In addition to this, children from rural areas get breakfast + material for school uniforms
(uniform material is given to children from all schools once a year, not just for rural children)AND the best part is, Sri Lanka is a 3rd world country lol
| QUOTE (Wenmouse @ Nov 11 2003, 12:12 AM) |
| The school my daughter goes to has NO after-school program(s) allowing the kids to use the computers. The local public library is only open until 5:00 p.m. on SCHOOL nights and not at all on weekends! If my kids did NOT have a computer available at home, they could NOT get their homework done! We live in one of the most hypocritical areas/cultures I have had the displeasure of sharing. Teachers make demands on children and families without regard to the resources available to the families and then demand that our children perform perfectly in school. Yet the teachers, themselves, are incapable of instructing - they have spent four years studying 'Education' and usually only one year studying the subject they have elected to teach. Thank you, it USED to be four years (and a Bachelors' Degree) learning your subject, and only ONE of 'Teaching/Education' - and, THANK YOU, kids actually received some sort of a REAL education! I live in a semi-rural area and most families live/work on farms at minimum wage; the school district no longer provides 'basic' school supplies (such as scissors in classrooms, chalk for the teachers - no joke, the kids are REQUIRED to supply a box of chalk each year at the beginning of the year as part of their 'supplies list', tissue for a runny nose - bring three boxes at the start of the year, etc.). The best question here is: Since the US is supposed to be such a hot-shot about educating children, why aren't the Federal Funds given to schools used to EDUCATE? |
Which is where anarchy comes in. Seriosuly, I really don't understand why nearly everyone in this..... poopy...... country of ours isn't an anarchist. Problem is, teachers (nothing to do with the teacher topic at hand) teach our kids at a young age that our country is the shizzle (because there is no better word, so hey, shizzle isn't a bad replacement for it, is it?) and that our flag is da.....ng near sacred. It's really quite surprising, I hate that we hold our flag on high so much, but I hate when people hang their flags backwards. When whatchamacallit baptist church people were here in Lebanon to protest the showing of the movie Jim in Bold, a movie about a kid named Jim obviously, that went to my school, he was gay, he killed himself, as did his brother for the same reason. Now, I don't agree with these peoples intolerant views of gays, the people that had godhatesfags.com (last i checked it was taken down), but one of them was walking up and down the sidewalk dragging a flag. Unfortunately, I wasn't there, because if I was, I would have asked him if he had another. Then I would have gotten out a knife and shredded it to pieces, since I didn't have to pay for the flag, and I'm sure he wouldn't have minded all that much, other than the loss of a flag to drag. Where was I going with this? I don't remember. I like to ramble and rant. Oh yeah, come on, our government sucks. Anarchy is the way.
A lot fo 2nd and 3rd world countries do that to try to help themselves. I think India.... something liek that..... a lot of really super computer geeks are made there in low cost but high expectation schools because then they can come to places like the US and China or Japan and other 1st class tech savvy countries to get good jobs and send money home to their families who then use it to improve their own quality of live by buying stuff like furniture or whatever thereby pumping money into their economy and helping the whole. Remeber, IT'S ALL ECONOMIC!
| QUOTE (Wenmouse @ Nov 10 2003, 11:12 PM) |
| I live in a semi-rural area and most families live/work on farms at minimum wage; the school district no longer provides 'basic' school supplies (such as scissors in classrooms, chalk for the teachers - no joke, the kids are REQUIRED to supply a box of chalk each year at the beginning of the year as part of their 'supplies list', tissue for a runny nose - bring three boxes at the start of the year, etc.). The best question here is: Since the US is supposed to be such a hot-shot about educating children, why aren't the Federal Funds given to schools used to EDUCATE? |
not to mention you have to pay a fee each year which is supposed to cover things the teachers may need for their class... lmao when u said that before I even finished reading I thought yep tissues.. and it's not just for my child it's for the class.. and when the music teacher wanted to teach my son the recorder she demanded we buy him one. Yep but yet let's not forget they spent billions of dollars to create a new $20.00 bill when eventually someone will counterfeit that too but yet couldn't give the billions of dollars to the schools to help buy supplies...
and lancer...
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| It seems as though southerners just plain don't like people. |
well dear.. guess you never heard of good old southern hospitality.. the south has always been known for good hospitality.. now I'm sure you've heard of bad experiences with southerners.. but now just remember there are as many bad intolerant people in all parts of the country not just the south..
now why do I think we've gotten a bit off topic or have we?? we are discussing why people need their money from ptrp's so they can pay for their internet as someone brought up so their kids can do their homework... or to buy x-mas presents or b-day presents or just to make ends meet. and about complaining about ptrp's when they do not pay or people have been deleted..
Tipsy, can we move this to chit chat or something? It's gotten far far far off topic, don't you think? But it;s a good topic that I think should keep going.
Oh, and fake new 20's are already circulating.
Oh, and fake new 20's are already circulating.
Hey Lance....
Maybe my grandparents shoulda protested when the schools moved from hand held chalk board to pencil and paper.
Computers are here and they will be staying. Education is just that...educating whomever about what is possible and teaching them the means to achieve that possibility.
Should we, as parents, deny our children the right to learn simply because someone else can't afford it?
"I'm sorry but children in Somalia can't afford computers so you can't have one"
"I'm sorry but little johnny can't afford one either..."
Educators use every tool available to them. Computers and the Internet are such tools.
Also, in every library I've ever been in, and I live in suburbia of a HUGE city with lots of them, you must request a time slot. You get one hour at a time. After your hour is over, you can request another, if nobody else is using the computer, it's all yours for another hour. And so on...
In the library, 2 mins from my house, there are 25 computers. They are filled up from 3:30 until 9 pm during the week and all day on the weekends. From my house, within a 10 min drive, there are at least 15 libraries. Each local has the same situation. Full! All the time.
Also, in a lot of areas, the cirricculum is set by the governmet. The local school boards have some discretion but the bulk of the programs must be met. I could be school board president and not be able to change the requirement for computer and internet training. We want our children to have decent jobs, most of those require computer knowledge.
As for alternate assignements... heck, it's much easier for parents if kids have access to the information online. Between homework, after school activities, eating, family time... those 4 hours, after school, get filled up very fast.
I do believe that some teachers take this too far. It is much eaier to correct a printed paper than a handwritten one.
Maybe my grandparents shoulda protested when the schools moved from hand held chalk board to pencil and paper.
Computers are here and they will be staying. Education is just that...educating whomever about what is possible and teaching them the means to achieve that possibility.
Should we, as parents, deny our children the right to learn simply because someone else can't afford it?
"I'm sorry but children in Somalia can't afford computers so you can't have one"
"I'm sorry but little johnny can't afford one either..."
Educators use every tool available to them. Computers and the Internet are such tools.
Also, in every library I've ever been in, and I live in suburbia of a HUGE city with lots of them, you must request a time slot. You get one hour at a time. After your hour is over, you can request another, if nobody else is using the computer, it's all yours for another hour. And so on...
In the library, 2 mins from my house, there are 25 computers. They are filled up from 3:30 until 9 pm during the week and all day on the weekends. From my house, within a 10 min drive, there are at least 15 libraries. Each local has the same situation. Full! All the time.
Also, in a lot of areas, the cirricculum is set by the governmet. The local school boards have some discretion but the bulk of the programs must be met. I could be school board president and not be able to change the requirement for computer and internet training. We want our children to have decent jobs, most of those require computer knowledge.
As for alternate assignements... heck, it's much easier for parents if kids have access to the information online. Between homework, after school activities, eating, family time... those 4 hours, after school, get filled up very fast.
I do believe that some teachers take this too far. It is much eaier to correct a printed paper than a handwritten one.
| QUOTE (Lancer Sykera @ Nov 11 2003, 04:33 AM) |
| A lot fo 2nd and 3rd world countries do that to try to help themselves. I think India.... something liek that..... a lot of really super computer geeks are made there in low cost but high expectation schools because then they can come to places like the US and China or Japan and other 1st class tech savvy countries to get good jobs and send money home to their families who then use it to improve their own quality of live by buying stuff like furniture or whatever thereby pumping money into their economy and helping the whole. Remeber, IT'S ALL ECONOMIC! |
LOL, wish it was as easy as you put it
| QUOTE (Enchanted @ Nov 11 2003, 12:38 AM) | ||
LOL, wish it was as easy as you put it |
Well that's just what I know. So maybe I'm ignorant about it.
(Oh no, not a Mr. Wenninger quote!) Remember, there's a difference between ignorance and stupid. If I put my hand on a hot oven, realize it's hot and hurts, and take my hand off, that's because I was ignorant. If I do it a second time, that's stupidity.
| QUOTE (Lancer Sykera @ Nov 11 2003, 04:46 AM) | ||||
Well that's just what I know. So maybe I'm ignorant about it. |
How many thousands of children and university students are given free education? What do you think the percentage is who are able to go to "1st class tech savvy countries" for jobs? That's why I said it was not as easy as you put it.
I homeschooled my son through high school - but the computer is like a second skin to him. Now that he is in college, computer science is his major. I think that at this time not having the exposure to the computer would be a real detriment to someone who was learning to function in our society.
My son learned more and was much more interested in what he learned in the home environment. Fortunately I have a background in computers and math, so that area was easy for us.
My son learned more and was much more interested in what he learned in the home environment. Fortunately I have a background in computers and math, so that area was easy for us.
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| If someone is waiting on a PTR payout to buy their kids Xmas presents, there's something seriously wrong. I get paid more from MySurvey than I have from any PTR, with the notable exception of Tasia's Paid Links. If they need PTR to buy presents, they should cancel the internet subscription, sell the computer, and spend the time working part time somewhere. If they are disabled or whatever, then they should go to their local Division of Vocational Rehabilitation. PTR is NOT going to make most people a bundle of money. Apply to process HUD loans at the IRS website, if you must work at home on the PC, THEY do pay, lmao, and much better too! |
AGREE!
Tipsy, It is sad that so many teachers are like that. I am also a teacher. A high school history teacher, to be exact. I am always accomodating toward my students. I can also vouch for the fact that you don't need to have a computer in order to get good grades and compete in school (I just got my degree recently). My family didn't have a computer until I was in 7th grade, and they didn't have internet access until I was in 10th grade. I did very well. Teachers will work with you if you really want them to. They are supposed to. They're supposed to give the same consideration for financial straits that prevent a family from getting a computer as they do for a student who can't participate in an activity or do an assignment for religious reasons.
As to melrogers, I said "those of us that can" (read: financially able). Also, PMI's TOS states there is RANDOM payouts, meaning there's no "redeem" or "cashout" button. I agree, sometimes people are deleted for no reason. I'll admit I have been before. I didn't complain about it. Yes, GPTR is all about having fun for me, but I'm not loaded down with money either. My husband is handicapped and we live in a HUD-subsidized apartment in one of the most expensive cities/counties in the country. Right now, we can't afford to move anywhere else. So, it is nice to have that little bit of extra money from GPTR. It's nice, but it's not the end of the world if I don't get it immediately. Tell me. If you were a female running one of these PTR's, could you handle the stress of being called every obscene name in the book and get angry about it then get griped at for getting angry? I wouldn't be able to. That's what Colleen deals with. Plus the normal about her program being called a scam. read keepsakes post in this thread http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/index.p...ic=104608&st=90 She says it all.
I do agree with Brenda somewhat. If people are able to work, then they should get a job whether it's full time, part time, or temporary.
As to melrogers, I said "those of us that can" (read: financially able). Also, PMI's TOS states there is RANDOM payouts, meaning there's no "redeem" or "cashout" button. I agree, sometimes people are deleted for no reason. I'll admit I have been before. I didn't complain about it. Yes, GPTR is all about having fun for me, but I'm not loaded down with money either. My husband is handicapped and we live in a HUD-subsidized apartment in one of the most expensive cities/counties in the country. Right now, we can't afford to move anywhere else. So, it is nice to have that little bit of extra money from GPTR. It's nice, but it's not the end of the world if I don't get it immediately. Tell me. If you were a female running one of these PTR's, could you handle the stress of being called every obscene name in the book and get angry about it then get griped at for getting angry? I wouldn't be able to. That's what Colleen deals with. Plus the normal about her program being called a scam. read keepsakes post in this thread http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/index.p...ic=104608&st=90 She says it all.
I do agree with Brenda somewhat. If people are able to work, then they should get a job whether it's full time, part time, or temporary.
| QUOTE (clickcorporation @ Nov 11 2003, 05:32 AM) | ||
AGREE! |
DISAGREE
First and foremost, everyone of us are here to earn a little extra income. Whether we are depending on our payouts to buy christmas gifts for our children, to buy make-up (
) or buy our groceries or not is not the question here. How people use THEIR earnings is THEIR business. Who are we to tell them what to do with what they earn? If it crosses YOUR mind for such people to get part time jobs, go to vocational rehab etc, don't you think that the person affected would have thought of it a thousand times already?We are running programs, we have a commitment to our members. Honest members support programs by clicking, buying ads, signing up with advertised programs etc with the hope of being paid when their turn comes. It is not our place to tell them whether they should depend on their payouts or not for whatever. What they do with the money they get from these programs is their business.
Sorry English is not my first language. So sometimes what I mean to say will not come out the way I intend to say it 
I thought you expressed yourself perfectly
Of course, that may be because I so completely agree with you
Of course, that may be because I so completely agree with you
| QUOTE (karlaerin @ Nov 11 2003, 01:34 PM) |
| As to melrogers, I said "those of us that can" (read: financially able). Also, PMI's TOS states there is RANDOM payouts, meaning there's no "redeem" or "cashout" button. I agree, sometimes people are deleted for no reason. I'll admit I have been before. I didn't complain about it. Yes, GPTR is all about having fun for me, but I'm not loaded down with money either. My husband is handicapped and we live in a HUD-subsidized apartment in one of the most expensive cities/counties in the country. Right now, we can't afford to move anywhere else. So, it is nice to have that little bit of extra money from GPTR. It's nice, but it's not the end of the world if I don't get it immediately. Tell me. If you were a female running one of these PTR's, could you handle the stress of being called every obscene name in the book and get angry about it then get griped at for getting angry? I wouldn't be able to. That's what Colleen deals with. Plus the normal about her program being called a scam. read keepsakes post in this thread http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/index.p...ic=104608&st=90 She says it all. I do agree with Brenda somewhat. If people are able to work, then they should get a job whether it's full time, part time, or temporary. |
karlaerin i know you said "those of us that can" and I assumed you meant those members who could afford to buy an ad should feel obligated to do so to support colleen and the program. Personally I believe that only "those who wish to" should consider buying an ad since buying it just to support the program is really just charity. If people want to give their money away surely there are better ways to do it than by buying ads in a GPTR program.
As for the random payout system, my understanding is that it hasnt always been that way. Yes in know all members agree that the webmaster can change the Terms to anything they like any time they like but that doesnt mean those members have to be happy about it. A webmaster MIGHT change their Terms to say that only people who have blue eyes will be paid, and require you to send in copy of your drivers license to prove you're entitled to be paid, but that wouldn't mean people have to be happy about it, and it doesn't mean that it is RIGHT.
As for what Colleen has to deal with, she has my sympathy. I AM a female and I have worked in jobs where I have been called every obscene name in the book and worse things than just being called names. If that is what Colleen is dealing with then i am sure it is very hard for her. If she cant handle it then maybe she should get out of the business and find something that suits her better.
Not sure what you are saying about agreeing with Brenda. If peopel can work they should get a job instead of what?
| QUOTE (moneymagic @ Nov 11 2003, 05:49 AM) |
| I thought you expressed yourself perfectly Of course, that may be because I so completely agree with you |
If this is for my post, thank you
One of my members is co-running one of my programs. She is blind. She is doing 2 part time jobs to help her sister who is suffering from cancer and help her take care of her kid. She is also in some PTR programs to earn a little extra cash. To some people, every little bit counts. Who is to say she is not in the PTR to buy things like christmas gifts for her sister's kid or a few things for herself or her sister?
It's fine if PTR is just a hobby, to earn some extra pocket money etc. But do not forget that to some, it is a source of income (probably it's a vital source of income to some) because as I said, every little bit counts.
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| How many thousands of children and university students are given free education? What do you think the percentage is who are able to go to "1st class tech savvy countries" for jobs? That's why I said it was not as easy as you put it. |
Some companies may pay their way just for the sake of having such a good and educated worker. May.
Nothing personal, but IMHO homeschooling just isn't right. Okay yeah in most cases they do get a better education than otherwise, but part of school is not just ejamacation, but the social aspect (that you DON'T get just from a club sport of some sort) and learning how to deal with social issues, how to interact with people, what an appropriate way is to interact with people. Granted that was just high school in your situation. There was a South Park episode that had to do with 2 kids that were sheltered by being home schooled their whole life, and when they went to public school they were totally out of the loop I guess you could say. Just because it's South Park doesn't mean it can't have a good message. In fact I wrote a very lengthy article getting back to anarchy again that revolved around a Powerpuff Girls episode, and a middle school History teacher (who is also a very awesome guy) gave me much praise for the article even though he didn't agree with my view, he said that I used the Powerpuff Girls analogy very well and all that other good stuff.
Yes, I'm 16 and I watch cartoons. I plan to when I'm 30 and 65, as well. Good stuff.
melrogers,
as to agreeing with Brenda, I meant those who are physically able should get a job instead of depending on PTR for their sole income.
as to agreeing with Brenda, I meant those who are physically able should get a job instead of depending on PTR for their sole income.
| QUOTE (Lancer Sykera @ Nov 11 2003, 06:00 AM) | ||
Some companies may pay their way just for the sake of having such a good and educated worker. May. |
Some, perhaps. Most of the people going abroad for good jobs to places like the U.S, U.K are the ones who can afford to do so. Not all of them are the "intelligent" type but the "rich" type
<<<------- I love that senior member title. Great. Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. And then I realize there are about 2000 senior members on this forum. Correction, 872 senior members
LOL okay you got me Enchanted. I guess I am ignorant after all.
LOL okay you got me Enchanted. I guess I am ignorant after all.
hmmm - why would I take that personal?
"Nothing personal, but IMHO homeschooling just isn't right."
There are many different situations in life. What is right for one person is not right for another. My son is doing perfectly well, thank you.
"Nothing personal, but IMHO homeschooling just isn't right."
There are many different situations in life. What is right for one person is not right for another. My son is doing perfectly well, thank you.
Well, it's past 1AM here, I need to get up in 5 hours for big bad public school. Second day back after having OSS for a week and a half. Hurrah. About 5 exams to make up, amongst other things.
Second day back after having OSS for a week and a half. Hurrah. About 5 exams to make up, amongst other things.
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