ATTENTION ATTENTION ATTENTION ATTENTION


PAY MUCH ATTENTION

THE COMPANIES: STONEDIVER And FIRST ZONE

I AM FROM ARGENTINA And THESES COMPANIES PAYING WITH BAD CHECKS

THE CHECKS HAVE NOT MONEY???????????????????????????????????????????

THEY DONT WORK MORE WITH THESE COMPANYS

ARE A REALLY SCAM

I've never had any problem with their checks.

IM TOO

BUT THE CHECKS SENDED DURING OCTOBER TO ARGENTINIAN AND URUGUAYAN WORKES THEY HAVE BEEN REJECTED BY The BANK BY LACK OF BOTTOMS And ORDER OF NOT PAYING

Why don't you email them?
I had the same problem about 6 months ago,so emailed them and they paid me directly to my paypal account again

I hope theres no problem with their checks now because i just got a check and cashed it yesterday.

ok, ppprk

many thanks

but I send the mail to booths Companyes.

Im waiting the answers

DEAR PPPRK

PRUNE TO SEND ME THE MAIL OF STONEDIVER WHERE YOU MADE THE RECLAMATION BECAUSE TO WHICH WE SENT WE FROM ARGENTINA NEVER THEY RESPOND?????


MANY THANKS

I mean firstzone.
I don't use STONEDIVER

NO PROBLEM

GIVE ME THE MAIL FROM FIRST ZONE

MANY THANKS

what mail???

http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/index.p...22&hl=firstzone

I have been waiting since may for my payment from first-zone, nothing and no reply to my emails.

FIRST-ZONE.COM "PAYMENT PROBLEM"


First-Zone.com is no longer making payments to affiliates that are sending us GRABAGE traffic from Argentina (mostly) and other Latin American countries. This traffic and clicks are totally unproductive for our US/Canadian advertisers and XML partners.

Clicks are incentive, a lot of them thru proxies to mask real source and the clicker is fraudulently trying to earn money. Our advertisers and XML partners are not accepting and will not accept any fraudulent traffic. We have no choice but to stop bad traffic right away or go out of business.


Regards,

I am a bit confused about your post. If their country is sending you garbage clicks why didn't you send a contact mail about it. An how can you justfy everyone in a whole country was sending you garbage. Right now with the information or rather the lack of information I think your trying to either cut costs or cover up something.
Your explination doesn't cut the mustard. PROVE IT!!!!!!

For more info, check this:
http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/index.p...22&hl=firstzone

Looks like you did not understand: we do not pay for latin american traffic = does not mean our friends from Argentina and other latin american countries can no longer be our affiliates!


Example:

You are from Argentina, have our portal/search box on your website and having mostly USA/Canadian visitors = YOU ARE WELCOME

You are from Chicago, have website in USA and your visitors are from Latin America mostly = YOU ARE BANNED

Again: what counts are the VISTORS that you are sending to us not where you are located, OK?

Our real bosses are the ADVERTISERS folks, they are paying all of us! If they see unproductive visitors = they will stop the ads and we are all out of business. And it was their requst to stop unproductive traffic right away.


Best regards,

Hya,


How on earth can I decide who is going to make a search in my searchbox if the searchbox is on my site ?

Sophie

Australia, Austria, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece,
Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Malta, Mexico, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Portugal, Scotland, Spain,
Sweden, Switzerland, United Kingdom and United States



although first zone was made for all countries.


above countries are just about on every other search engine out there.


and Argentina has never been there.


I added Mexico to my list because I have 6 mexicans who are not behind a proxy.


so that being the case, first-zone will only be sent to the above countries from now on.

and I'll send blaze to my other members.

Caroline, you talk about ads but what if you have the box on a site and visitors from everywhere come and look at your site ?

How can you know where the searches come from ?

Sophie

Personally I don't have a problem with first-zone, but I know some affiliates that have gotten bounced checks in South America, so this is why I'm posting this.

It's one thing to make a decision on paying for certain types of visitors based on what advertisers want, but once someone has reached payout and you have issued them a check, you cannot stop payment on them (unless they have cheated as per your prior TOS which didn't say anything about South American traffic).

Stopping payment on checks is highly unethical and can be a strong foundation for a lawsuit. Tom, I suggest that you re-pay all the checks that you've stopped payment on and added the bounced check charges, and then you can cancel their accounts.

whatever just a person with common sense. You have written many things that we, the non usa members feel about this but we dont have the courage to say

And Many thanks by your advice its also just what we need.

Sometimes, some people think that pointing out anothers as blamable they get rid of their own sins

Regards
Laura

Well looks like folks you still do not understand or get the point. It is not a discrimination against any country, race, nationality etc. Everybody is welcome to join First-Zone.com and will get paid WORLDWIDE as long as his site is sending us at least 80% of USA/Canadian traffic (we track them thru IP track).

In last months we have got (mostly) hundreds of affiliates from Argentina and other Latin American countries that were sending us traffic with south american IP's. This traffic is totally unproductive for our advertisers and XML feed partners. We have got an ultimatum from THEM: either we stop the nonproductive traffic or we are out of business!!

Similar case we have had with affiliates from China and India: they were sending us traffic thru proxies to mask real IP's. No discrimination here: same case we have got even with some USA scammers that were using proxies! All were banned right away!

Same policy has now been used by majority of american PPC Search Sengines: check policies of revenuepilot, searchfeed, ah-ha, kanoodle, xuppa, 7search.... We all share same piece of cake here.

Again: any affiliate from Latin America or China or India or ...wherever he/she is from is WELCOME with us as long as his/her website is sending majority of US/Canadian IP's and of course is not using illegal proxies.

Advertisers are the guys who are paying all of us: XML partners, us...and YOU - do not forget that!

Imagine yourself being an advertiser selling for example land in Kentucky and all your ad's money is burned by IP's from China, Latin America or out-of-USA.... You have not made one single deal....would you be happy? Sure not! Will never ever advertise with such search engine again!


I hope I have been clear this time?


Regards from Chicago,

Ok firstzone OK, I understand all your explanation. I am very clever and with a very broad mind.
But again what i dont understand is WHY DO YOU ALLOW MEMBERS WHO SEND THAT KIND OF TRAFFIC REACH TO THE MINIMUM PAYOUT???? WHY?? Why dont you advice them?? Why dont you block their accounts before they made the request, before they reach the payout, before they were cheated??
IIt looks like as the only person who doesnt understand or doesnt want understand is yourself.

Some samples of your actions:

ID 20.628. Payment 08/27/03. Amount: $59.26. Problem: Check was never received. Response to claims: NO (Argentina)

ID:23064. Payment 11/24/03. Amount: $104.66. Problem: Payment banned by Bad Traffic. The member never received any warning about his " bad traffic".
-Payment 11/01/03: $75.15. Not received.
- 11/26/03: Blocked account. No warning. No response to claiming.
Country . Uruguay

ID:14866.Payment: 11/25/03: $63.43--> Banned by bad traffic. No warning received. Country: UY

ID:20766. 2003-11-24 $60.50 bt. No warning received. AR

What about this little sample.

Mr. Tom:

We all understand your explanation about why you guys do not accept Latin American traffic any more. Perfect!

The one who does not understand what is in the spotlight here is YOU. What about the bounced checks? What do you have to say about that? Are you going to honor your signature or just disregard it as garbage?

BOUNCED CHECKS

We had to stop a whole serie of checks because we have got unauthorized charges on our checking account from two asian countries (so called e-check charges).

It is just a coincidence that this problem happened together with "south american affiliates problem". Similar situation we have had few months ago. We are trying to find a solution, probably we will start to send out Cashier Checks or International Money Orders in the future. Paypal is not the best method because we have hundreds of affiliates to pay every month and a lot of them can not accept Paypal at all. So we have to use checks with lots of them anyway...

Affiliates that have got checks bounced will be refunded for the costs of a bounced check and there it will be issued a new Cashier/MO one or Paypal will be sent to them (if they have one).

Regards from Chicago,

This is our last posting regarding payment issue in this forum.

If you think you should have been paid for 2, 3, 4 or more months in the past please email us


To: affiliates@first-zone.com
Subject: PAYMENT PROBLEM
Text: your affiliate's ID number and describe the problem

If your account has been terminated or deleted then there must have been a reason for that. We will give you the exact reason with a log of your activity. Usually we terminate the accounts because of:

- same IP's, same keywords
- proxies
- using so called "high bids keywords" only



If your last check has been refused by our bank please email us:

To: affiliates@first-zone.com
Subject: CHECK PROBLEM
Text: your affiliate's ID number and include also check number + amount for verification
Specify a new payment option: Paypal or Cashier's Check/Money Order. We will also include costs for bouced check automatically.



Regards,

Hi Tom.

I just received my check in the mail.

Thanks
Jane

Thank you Tom.

you can mail them to request money order which is issued by bank but not by company.