lgwong
Feb 14 2002, 09:53 PM
Create-a-click is now selling something call Quick Pay Site
http://www.createaclick.com/quickpay.shtml . In my opinion, the ebook really worth nothing and this is in fact a pure illegal pyramid scheme. :mad:
Rob
Feb 14 2002, 09:58 PM
Sounds rubbish to me...
CashAlley and CashDreamer use this stuff though.
The Ebooks really are worthless, I am collecting as many as I can at the moment, I have 17 for free.
Bobbot20
Feb 23 2002, 07:58 AM
I think most of the people join those programs for the "$15.00 a referral".
pays-cash.com
Mar 6 2002, 02:26 AM
A few years ago I ran and operated an MLM company. Before doing so I did tons of law research to find out what was legal and what wasn't.
I can tell you that there are a lot of illegal and borderline illegal companies on the Internet. The SEC and the FTC simply don't have the resources to shut all of them down. They take out one and three more pop up. Usually what gets these companies shut down is that they don't pay like they should. This angers their members and they take it to the SEC or the attorney general. If enough members complain then they do an investigation and shut them down.
However these quick pay sites run very legally and could never be shut down as long as they do what they are advertised to do.
While there are many fine points that I don't have time to discuss here there are two main points that make the difference between legal and illegal.
1) a product must be sold/purchased. While some may not find the product usefull, there is a legitimate product involved in the sale.
2) members must be paid by their efforts and not by luck, chance, or "good placement" in a matrix.
I hope that answers your concerns.
lgwong
Mar 6 2002, 02:39 AM
I see. In your opinion, as long as they really sold a product, no matter it is banner ad or e-book which is nearly of no value, they are legal. But will that be the case if one of these site is prosecuted and bring to the court?
:confused:
pays-cash.com
Mar 6 2002, 02:50 AM
My opinion is based on months of legal research. The way the law is written, quick pay sites are not only legal, but they are more legal then most MLM companies found on the Internet today.
More importantly this type of business will never get a complaint because members are paid instantly.
benzo
Mar 17 2002, 02:08 AM
if you have some problems to understand the difference between legal and illegal offer, I suggest you to see this short presentation at
http://mmprodnt.ic.gc.ca/competitionbureau/
lgwong
Mar 17 2002, 04:26 AM
Very useful site.
QUOTE
One ? do you have a real product or service?
Three ? are your participants expecting to make money by recruiting others to the plan?
Four ? does your plan force people to buy a product in order to join?
So these ebooks are a real product or service?
These programs participants expect to make money by recruiting others.
These plan force people to buy a product in order to join.
So these are pyramid schemes, right?
Chris Houlihan
Mar 24 2002, 08:55 AM
I am the owner of DailyWages.com, a quick pay site. We do not "force" people to join if they want to join, they buy a large and expensive collection of e-books which they can resell, they get the added benefit of being able to refer other members for a commision.
So this is not a pyramid scheme, it is more like an affiliate program. Also, it is not a pyramid scheme because unlike a pyramid scheme, it doesnt matter when you join the site because their is no matrix, only direct referrals.
Anyone disagree?
pays-cash.com
Mar 25 2002, 08:48 AM
The ebooks are real products. One of them I have seen sell on a dutch auction on Ebay for $19.95 and had 5 bidders.
Just because you get paid for referrals does not make it an illegal pyramid scheme. For example see Avon!
If a member joins one of these sites and reads all the ebooks they will get their money's worth and more. Even if they never refer a soul they will walk away with information that they can use.
lgwong
Mar 26 2002, 04:31 AM
Still these sites do not satisfy this requirement.
QUOTE
Four ? does your plan force people to buy a product in order to join?
You need to buy something before you are able to join. While an affiliate program do not require you to buy something at the very onset.
pays-cash.com
Mar 28 2002, 09:24 AM
Yes that would apply if I were operating my business out of Canada. Canada has very strict laws governing MLM.
However in the United States this is not the case. Many business require that you purchase something before being able to be a rep, reseller, affiliate, or whatever the company wishes to call it. For example see Herbalife, a well established U.S. company. They require you to buy a distributor kit in order to sell their products. If I did some research I am sure I could list hundreds of companies that do the same. I believe Avon does the same thing.
Bobbot20
Oct 5 2002, 01:20 PM
So....overall, it's legal....?
sophieca
Oct 5 2002, 02:12 PM
Hi,
Those schemes are legal in some countries and illegal in others.
I have worked for Direct Selling Associations and in some countries some companies were well established and in some other countries, the same companies were completely illegal.
If you join, you'd better check the laws in your country and not the laws of the country where the site/company is established ... you could be in trouble if you join a company that is illegal in your country, and the company established somewhere else and under other laws won't be in any trouble at all.
As far as what a real product is, my experience showed me that it depends how good your lawyer is to proove your product is worth the price the member/resalers whatever pay to join the company, sorry, to buy that product :-) There is no general rule.
My 2 cents ;-)
Sophie
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