Hi All,

I came here to post my complaint about nut-case-mail because the program just plain sucks.

I had reached payout, which was 3 dollars, two months ago and I clicked the redeem button once. If you click it again, even after a month goes by, he fines you. So I wait and wait.

I send him an email, than another, no response.

Yesterday, he decides to raise the payout to $10.00 and says the decison is final and everyone is happy with that decision.

The LEAST he could have done was to honour the members who have been waiting for months to receive the payout which they signed up for; 3 dollars.

Yet another WM who manipulates the TOS for his own needs.

BTW this program says it is a paid to read; guess again. It is 90 percent searches; as many as 12 searches per email. Most of the time I can't even do so many searches because the search engines block me out for searching too much.

AND Randy has threatened members who post complaints in public forums with deletion. He wants us to keep thing quite and email him. He never responds though.


Well I am off to post at all the other forums and then delete my account before he traces me and gives me the boot.

Nut-Case-Mail with it's many 1/4 cent searches and ten dollar payout just isn't worth it anymore. Just BS.

Thank you all for reading.

Hmm. I searched up to $3 without a downline and got paid but it was an arduous journey....I don't think I'll be bothering to struggle up to $10 either. Ne'er mind, more time to spend elsewhere.

i redeemed over a month ago, my ad has not been sent out, no reply to mails....

He tells us he wants full addresses so he can mail a letter to us, but where is his address on this website?

This crap about full address details is just to make the database more valuable for selling purposes later on.

Like the previous poster, it's all BS.

I see I'm not the only one who has waited months, it has been since july that I reached payout. I was up to 7.57 in my account so i redeemed for ads and am waiting to see them posted before I delete my account. I didn't like the increase either, but oh not a problem anymore.

I quit ALL of his programs a long time ago, I decided to quit when he deleted me because I posted that I was still waiting on payment, prior to that I had emailed him twice with no reponse! He is just immature to me and does not know how to deal well with his members.... I won't ever join any of his programs again.

Not sure what to say......

I joined Nut-case on May 16th

Haden't had much time to spend at the time, but....

Requested payment of $4.75 on 9/15......Paid with in 1 hour.

On another of his programs I didn't even get a chance to request payment, But a $3.61 payment showed up in my PayPal.

I've run afew ads with nut-case, always was happy with results.

Once Randy by accident ran 3 ads of mine twice. I asked what I owed........nothing

I had a bad link in an ad once. Randy re-ran it, and threw in an extra 500 ptc'a free.

Last night I requested payment on another one of his programs. This morning I had a $5.55 payment in My PayPal.

Just telling you all the facts........Scooter

Edited: Had to fix my spelling. (twice)

I have always been paid on time. It can take a little long with stormpay or the other one. He has always answered my emails. I like this guy.

I believed this was an honest PM

But I was wrong.

Some people get paid, while other don't(we seen this before)

It seems like advisers like scooter are being treated "different" compared to the ones that did NOT advertise,

I am waiting for payout for 2 months, in the mean time I reached 6$

Now Randy tells everyone is happy with 10$ pay out...Well. I am NOT.

And what about the other site??? emails from the great white north or something....That site is deadfor two months now, and not a word from Randy.

This is 100% BS indeed. Please avoid this one when not a member yet,

i was a member of nut-case about 4 months ago
i left cause of the amount of search-mails he sent out

on the good-side i reached payout, i requested it and i got paid with-in 30mins in paypal

so not all bad i guess
there is worse programs round on the net

He only pays who he feels like paying and only answers quesitions he feels like answering.

I think it is time for people to start posting about this at gptboycott.com He should not have a support folder there. He is rude and arragant just because there are 'worse programs' doesn't mean he should get away with the behavoir.

I had my nut-case acount on vacation because I wanted the issues at GWN to be resolved before I went and farther with the program.

He deleted my account!

i requested payout on the 5th of october and just recieved it today. got $8.70 in paypal

I also requested payment on Oct. 5 and I got paid today too, $5.20.

Well normally I don't jump in on thing like this.... however, this is one that I am choosing to put my 1/2 cent comments in on.

First, take a step back here and think a minute. I am sure that many of you had already been paid when the payout was only $3 on NCM. I can understand that the folks that were at payout and that had requested already to be paid at the $3 payout might be a little ticked off. Subsequent to his upping the payout on NCM to $10 instead of the $3, a whole slew of folks came forth and started complaining about this thing and that thing pertaining to Randy's programs, such as griping about searches and whatnot. I even saw where this one person emailed Randy and asked about why he had sent out 2 25 cent links and a $1 link the other day to the members. Then the member said that Randy sent an email back to him saying that he had deducted that buck fifty out of his/her NCM account, and the member then was peeved about that. Sorry, but thats so typical Randy LOL... For the most part you don't see him say a whole lot, but don't think for a minute that he doesn't pay attention, because he does lol...

Now, for my 1/2 cents worth on this issue with NCM.... with everything that has shaken loose and down and up in the PTR biz and the biz's that are promoted within the PTR biz here in the last three months or so... with all of the sites that have made it publically known that they are having financial troubles... with all of the sites that send out lists of folks that have requested payout yet they cant pay their members..... with all of the folks who are becoming discouraged about advertising with PTR programs because they think that its money not well spent..... with all of the POs that are crooked and try to wool-over the members and run with money..... with all of the POs that have HUGE DEBTS due to their members in their scripts that theres no way between now and the next ice age that they will ever be able to pay everyone what they've earned..... and thats not even factoring in the stuff that will continue to shake down and shake loose with various programs in PTR that are yet to be seen..... With all of that, I can't believe that everyone is whining over the fact that Randy raised the NCM payout from $3 to $10..... and all the hub-bub-baloo thats been slung around since the payout was raised.

Let me tell you, I don't rightfully care if Randy sets his payouts on all his programs to $1,000 or $1.... he could send all searches for all I care...... Doesn't matter to me what the payout is on his programs..... I know what his policy is on his programs about searches, and if I don't want to or don't have time to search, I don't click, its just that simple....... I know, that whenever I get around to reaching whatever his payout is, guess what.......... OOOOOOOO.... an AMAZING THING is going to happen.... when I reach payout, I am going to get paid. Simple as that. He is an honest WM and he pays.... which is alot more than can be said for alot of other WMs.

Theres 2 big programs out there right now that are still being heavily promoted.... I love math, so lets run some numbers shall we? There's a really popular program out there that everyone has been pushing heavily for some time now. What people didn't do was look at the advertising page. They were sending a 5 cent solo mail to all for $15 and they had over 10,000 members. Now, do the math on that.... 5 cents times 10,000 members is $500.00... so, everytime that PO sent out one of those 5 cent mails that you members love so much to see, that PO was losing $485.00 on EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THOSE MAILS THAT WENT OUT. Now, use a little common sense, you think for a minute (unless that PO is EXTREMELY independly wealthy and just wants to give money away to folks) that person has the money to pay all their members? Chances are, Heck no! Now, recently this same program added in points ads, and totally restructured their advertising rates. Not a surprise to me, knew that was coming for a while now. So, now that same 5 cent mail sent only to 1,000 members, costs just about $70.00... Better yes, but guess what... still FAR SHY of the $500.00 it would take to pay all the members for reading that ad, not counting downline earnings. Now, from an advertiser standpoint, hey, cheap prices, alot of members, good response rate, heck yeah advertise there. However, who's getting the short end of the stick on that one? The members. So much money is being lost on every single ad sold that there will never be enough money to pay members. Same thing Tasias ran into with their math which is why they are where they are now. Notice a pattern? Here's another example. Theres a big site out there right now that alot of folks are promoting. They have over 6,000 members. On their advertising page, they have a 1 cent mail to all members for $6.00, and a 5 cent mail to all members for $20.00. Now, if you do the math on that, for every 1 cent mail they send to 60.00 members, they are only charging $6.00 for a mail that would cost them $60.00, so they are losing over $50.00 on each mail they send to all. On their 5 cent mail for $20.00, it would cost them $300.00 just in DIRECT earnings to cover that ad, not counting dowline earnings. That same program, has a higher payout, over $75.00. So..... you love those high paying mails, and those cheap ad prices.... if you want something to complain about, start with the ones that just aren't making up the slack to be able to cover what they cut off of their ad prices! If you are truely looking for something to complain about, these types of things would be a real good place to start.

Randy is an honest WM.... quirky at times yes, but.... he pays attention, he has a great sense of humor that I just LOVE to death.... And frankly, I don't care what his payouts are on his programs... whatever he decides they need to be, I will stay and earn..... why? Because I know he will pay me.... which is a heck of alot more than I can say for other WMs. My feeling is that there are alot more bigger and better things to be spending time and energy on, besides bashing an honest WM who pays.

Just food for thought.... my big fat 1/2 cent worth...

edited for math errors because my calculator was obviously on crack.... going to buy a new calculator.... and put this one in rehab....

A webmaster is still concedered honest when they deleted member for no good reason?

Deleting members and the justification thereof is at the discression of the WM..... Since I am not Randy, I can't answer that one for you.... you'd have to ask him. However, I would note that what you might view as being "deleted for no reason" Randy may be seeing things from a different perspective. There are many reasons people get deleted by a WM on a program. From his end, knowing that he is an honest person and that he pays right and left, I think its fairly safe to say that whatever his reason was, that he felt it to be a "good reason". I still don't think folks should be bashing on the honest WMs in this biz, there's just too many other areas where complaining and demanding more from the industry as a whole might be more useful. If the post was about a WM that I don't know or or trust or that I have no experience with, I wouldn't be posting my 1/2 cents worth.

I agree with CTBX,,Randy has always answered my mails, sometimes it takes a few days..and he has ALWAYS ALWAYS paid me in ALL his programs. Randomly too, I have never had to ask for payout. He has been extremely generous with free ads for us too. The guy is a riot! I have tons of respect for him. He doesnt put up with anything, he doesnt have to. These are HIS programs [yeah yeah i know, if he didnt have the members yadda yadda] but he is the one responsible to make them work. it's HIS business, keyword business. if his business falls..we dont get paid. He has to make his rules and we have to abide..gee just like a real job.

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"CocaColaGirlUSA,Nov 8 2003, 06:42 PM

He only pays who he feels like paying and only answers quesitions he feels like answering.

I think it is time for people to start posting about this at gptboycott.com? He should not have a support folder there.? He is rude and arragant just because there are 'worse programs' doesn't mean he should get away with the behavoir.[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry that you got deleted, but making posts like this is probably why. It would seem that calling him names and encouraging people to boycott his program is against the TOS. Well his behavoir proves my statement doesn't it?

Also, to clarify I didn't say he should be boycotted at the time of the post I didn't think he should have the support folder there. He only pays who he feels like paying and only answers quesitions he feels like answering.

I think it is time for people to start posting about this at gptboycott.com He should not have a support folder there. He is rude and arragant just because there are 'worse programs' doesn't mean he should get away with the behavoir.

Well his behavoir proves my statement doesn't it?

Also, to clarify I didn't say he should be boycotted at the time of the post I didn't think he should have the support folder there."
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I don't rightfully know what size shoe Randy wears..... I have a pretty big foot for a girlie type person lol.... however, if you are asking me to put on his shoes and take a stab at why you were deleted, you'll get the same reply as this other person on this post already gave you...... I hightlighted it in red above so you could see it :-)

Regardless of when you say NCM's terms changed under the complaints section... doesn't mean that you aren't bound by or are in any way exempt from any changes that he makes to the terms. I don't know if and when he changed them if he did, however, I imagine if he did change them, that the change occurred back when alot of PTRs started adding tidbits in their terms about posting site content, links and email content, and any publicly negative remarks on their programs. I can tell you that those changes if they were made, don't affect me anyways, cause I just think Randy walks on PTR water LOL... So I don't have to worry about tripping in type on my tongue.... or fingers as it were.

My recommendation is to always read the terms before you post publically about a program, especially anything negative, or any site content or quoting.... Alot of PTRs are including rules in their terms regarding posts in public forums now. Just another tidbit of advice for the future... always make your words sweet.... just in case you end up being at the front of the chow line and you get first take on the grub! <cheeseeeeeeeeeeburgerrrrrrrrrrrr>

As I started with ptc, ... great-white-north was one of the first programs, I joined. And it was one of the first programs I dropped again. I did have this 3 Dollar earned already but I just had it. I didn't even ask for the money.
This guy lacks a lot of education. On the other side, never in my life (and that are a lot of years), I've seen 0.01 cents. Even supermarkets show their artificially discounts in full cents. Okay, I need to accept that this 0.01 cents exist in this business but if a wm needs to use it, he or she should offer some others with a higher value as well. What this guy is doing is simply abusive. For me, even as a newbee, this program did not fit. And today less then before do I understand at all these members talking sweet about him. It's maybe because they are afraid to losing their earnings.
Somehow, I have been lucky with my choices of programs. But I joined some like this one as well and consider this ones simply as greedy.

Reading this made me kinda angry in a way.

Every program is always going to have members that are pleased or displeased and that is just that. Basically, that is what I see going on with this ordeal.

I myself was a member of the site. I kept trudging along with it until I had reaced $3 so I could get out. However, that did not happen because I wasn't really earning much as it was, even with a 46 person downline, which only had earned me 6 cents.

I read the comments my CTBX and I must say that it doesn't make sense to me. With searching, if we don't want to search, ew don't have to click, but with a program that is a majority of search links sent, what are the members supposed to do? They can't earn then with that policy. I'm not even saying I had a problem with it because I am a searcher, but there are others who are not.

Some people may have joined because they heard good things about him or because they are in other programs. But how are non-searchers supposed to earn? Are they just not supposed to join? I think they are definately allowed their right to complain about it as they please.

Now, CTBX also commented on the financial status of some sites. But it really did puzzle me as to how the 2 25 cent linska dn the 1 dollar link were paid for then? With all of the turmoil with various sites members have every right to know if it is covered and if it will be paid for. It might not have any affect right this second, but it can have a whirlwind effect when many people try to cash out.

I didn't see that member expressing any complaints, just concerns. And what if we did email Randy? Personally, I would be afraid to receive the response, as it might just seem cold and rude when a very valid question was asked. To get debited though for that? It doesn't make sense how all other sites are condemned and getting fingers pointed at them when at l;east we know why that site is in debt. But with the link values for this particular emails, we don't know anything except that 1000 people got $1.00

To me, if you are gonna run something similiar to a business, then you really need to act professional. I don't care if you are paying me on time or not, but if you are going to present yourself to the world as a jerk, you will be viewed as such. It must be kept in mind that not everyone has the same sense of humor. What if there are members out there doing this but they have some type of mental handicap where they comprhened but it doesn't process as quick as it would for someone else. Is that fair that they would get penalized for emailing and asking a question, or for coming to a forum to ask a question which is considered as a complaint or insult by him when they really do have a handicap?

Or will that open up a new can of worms and then bring in reasons why we will need to discriminate against gropus of people.

I'm sorry that members of his sites have to be on their toes and just supportive all of the time. I'm sorry we are not allowed to be upset and angry over changes and that we have to think over and over again before we say what we feel.

If I ever have to give up my right to express myself, whether it appeals to anyone or offends anyone, as long as I do it in an adult fashion, i would rather get hit by a truck.

it is really a BAD program. I quited 1 month ago.
It may you, but you may have to wait.........
It may just delete you...................

Heya bulldog...

I decided to quote what you said instead of quoting the whole long post)

When I see a post that says, I'm almost positive my account was on vacation, and later they are yelling.....how many times do I have to tell you that my account was on vacation.

Well....I gess that their creditability is "0" with me, and I no longer see any reason to believe their stories.

Also.... The option for setting an account on vacation isn't a toy. If you are on vacation / can't read the emails for sone reason..... fine.

If it shows that you are in vacation time after time just because you don't want emails in your box, well I think you actually do need a vacation.

I have been reading all this since start, the anti and the pro Randys ... and still wonder if you all talk about the same person lol

I for one will follow the advice that some gave here and write him to find out what the problem is he has with me personally.

Sophie

Well, I only have one comment to this discussion.

Randy's programs are amont the best programs, I am a member of.

Both what concerns payouts (random as well as regular) and specially concerning advertising - but I agree. Randy is a special person. Crazy, he calls himself. Maybe, but I've had no problems with him.

He raised minimum payout for administrative reasons, but at the same time he increased the click value of the ads - so it shouldn't be that much of a difference.

To those that think Randy's sites are scams or that he is a cheat, your wrong. I belong to quite a few of his sites and have been paid from each one multiple times. Randy has always been very nice to me and he gets my ads out shortly after I send them. Myself, I think Randy is one of the better webmasters out there.

Thanks for reading
Peaches1959