Imposible to buy ads.. I was gonna buy 3 solos at betty and I find that:

Shared Email to 5000 with a 25 second timer $76

some sites are a bit too expensive

Wasnt an email to all about $10 before? or cheaper... Thats a pretty huge price jump..

Sometimes it's all about doing a little math to figure out what an ad actually costs to send (which is what they've finally done over at BB)... And at BB, it's a helluva lot more than $10.

I don't belong to this site....

But there is no way I would pay that kind of money.

Shoot, I spent, I think it was about 8.00 and only got 2 sign ups to a member base over 15,000.

I joined ptr's to make money, not lose it (and have been losing too much lately)

Sure programs gotta make money to survive, but thats a heck of alot of money

Think of it this way...

A one cent email to 5000 members costs $50. That is NOT counting referral bonuses or anything extra for the site itself (for paying for hosting, advertising, etc). If a site sells a 1 cent email to 5000 for $5, yeah, it's great for all of those folks who don't care that the site is going in the hole, but the site is suffering big time.

When this site has to shut down because it's been run into the ground, all of the same people who are complaining about expensive advertising are going to be crying scam.

I understand that some sites need to up their prices to stay in the game, I mean if you do sell ads really cheap eventually you die out.. But $76 for a shared ad to 5000 is just a bit to high for me... Not sure if they are going to be getting alot of advertisers. I just wish them the best of luck

ravenn's back

Yes hi Mel.

I would pay upto 15$

This will be my last post on this subject. I'm really sick and tired of listening to all the whiners out there. It seems to me that about 80% of the PTRE members out there NEVER even buy a single ad. There are the occasional few that will buy a cheap 1/4c mail or even cheaper and when they do we're supposed to do a valid search to earn a peso.

Get REAL people. Where do you think the money comes from .... Santa Clause?

People need to realize that there are costs involved, ref earnings need to be figured into prices, transaction fees, and other factors. It is up to members to help a webmaster survive. Even 1 ad purchase once in a while would really make a BIG diffrence in keeping a site "in the black" and able to survive and more importantly able to pay!

ya know, it's so funny how many people were complaining about how BB's ad prices were too low to keep the site running.



personally, i think it is a bit high. but then again, i'd rather Betty Bucks stay open and maybe even pay me than for the program close up shop because they kept selling all those ads at way below cost.

GEE THIS ISN'T ROCKET SCIENCE!!!
I JUST READ A 50 PAGETHREAD ABOUT BB NOT HAVING ANY MONEY.YET YOU STILL EXPECT THEM TO SEND OUT PAID EMAILS FOR 10.00 TO ALL.THEN YOU WONDER WHY THEY GO BANKRUPT!!!

AND THEN YOU WANT TO COMPLAIN?GET OUT OF PTR AND GET A REAL JOB.THIS ISN'T A CHARITY RUN BY A BUNCH OF WEALTHY WEBMASTERS.


SHANE

MAN THIS MAKES ME SICK!!!!

They weren't broke because I knew all history from first week. Is just that Kristy ran away.

I must chime in on this subject...

This is EXACTLY why this industry is in shambles.

First, members complain when the earnings per click is too low, so the webmasters try to keep them high (1 cent or higher) but THEN when it comes to the site trying to make a profit (or just breaking even for that matter), they need to increase the advertising cost. Now, when they do that, the ADVERTISERS complain.

Come on everyone, don't you see? This is WHY sites crumble. It is all too apparent that the members don't care about the sites financial status and the advertisers don't care about the sites financial status (don't get offended everyone, I am NOT referring to everyone...)

Its the "I don't care, its all about me"...attitude that is hurting the industry.

Lets look at the example mentioned in this thread...

5,000 1cent click throughs for $76...
I just looked at Betty Bucks referral% now and it is MUCH better than it use to be.
15%, 10%, 1%, 1%, 1% ...That is a total of 28%

This particular ad would cost them (maximum): $50.00 (1cent clicks) PLUS $14.00 (referral %), for a total of $64.00

Is $12 too much profit (that is not up to me...it is the PO's right but they need to think if they want just a few high paying advertisers or many lower ones with a smaller profit line)...

Someone mentioned they would pay $15 for the advertisement...
Now, lets look at what they would need to do to NOT lose money with this one (by the way, this IS more realistic, but I would think about $20 to $25...)

At $15, this is what BettyBucks could 'afford' to pay its members for viewing it:

At most, they can only pay out a total of 3/10 of one cent per click (this includes the referral %'s)...

Therefore: To break even or make a slight profit, they could only pay the members 1/4 cent per click...Here is the cost breakdown...

5,000 X .25 cents = $12.50
Max Referral commissions ($12.50 X 28%) = $3.50
Total cost = $16.00 (still a small loss but possibly sustainable due to 3rd party advertisers and some referral level cutoffs)

I would recommend that they offer 5,000 1/4 cent ads for $18

That way, there would be amply advertisers AND ample ads to view for the members.

Before all you members start complaining that they won't view an ad for less than 1cent, what would you rather do?

View one or 2 ads at one cent (total earnings = 2cents) ...

OR view 20 to 30 ads at 1/4 cent (total earnings = 7.5 cents)...

They could easily lower the timer to 15 seconds for these ads and the members AND advertisers should be happy with this compromise.

Rod

I also wanted to add, this industry CANNOT sustain 1 cent click earnings to all its members.

The economy of this industry is just not there. Thats why I mentioned the 1/4 cent ads in the previous post.

That is the true economics of it at the present time

Rod

I like the idea of 1/2 and 1/4 cent ads better. Sounds like it could work out better for both sides.

wow....

Some nerves were touched here

Don't believe that was anyone's intent

Just peeps saying thats way to much money for them to spend in a ptr.

Of course programs need to adjust accoridingly

Until I got paid my Mike's, I haven't even been paid 76.00 bucks, all programs combined!! And I have been doing this for almost 2 yrs now.

I, for one, understand the necessity of higher priced ad's.
It's why I have invested my earnings to upgrade in some sites that give monthly &/or weekly ad's to upgraded members. The upgrades were costly, but I have faith (hopefully not misplaced) that those sites will be around for a long time to come. Some of my very best advertising results come from PaidMailInc, where I can redeem points for advertising.
Besides, most sites do have ad sales when advertising gets a bit lean and they need some cash flowing in. I try to stock up on those, depending on my PayPal account balance at the time.




Cheri

I have heard Annies has excellent results with ads. I personally havent bought one yet but one day I will. She has specials every month, the month of Oct. was I think somewhere arounds $21.95 for a 3 cent ad to all which is great because my box has been loaded with them.
Also, Annie pays extreemly fast. She would not be able to if she didnt make enough from the ads to pay her members.

Some advertising is much too high for me but there are people out there who have the money to pay for it.
I always ask myself....there are some wealthy people clicking for pennys, why? If they have so much money already, why are they clicking for change? Unless of course it is to advertise they're companies or a hobby.

i AGREE THAT 1/4 TO 1/2 CENT LINKS PROBABLY WOULD GO BETTER FOR MOST SITES BUT THERE ARE SOME SITES THAT i PAY MORE FOR ADVERTISING AND GET AWSOME RESULTS (THIS IS WHERE IT COUNTS, HOW MANY CLICK AND HOW MANY sign up) (sorry wasnt yelling, caps button stuck) I pay more for a ad at mikespaid or clixmonster, but always get more sign ups, I use points or pay for links at certain lower paying sites like paidmailinc or mokercash and get great results, but there are some sites I could pay a ton or a little and get no results (dont know why?) so those sites I do not advertise with. I myself wouldn t pay 76.00 for a ad, that is because I do not have 76.00 LOL but even if I did , the only way I would pay that was if I knew for sure that the click rate was good (wich it probably is, I dont belong to it tho) and If I kew I would most likely get a lot of referals, best bet is to use a site like that when somehting is about to come out, you have your link and are allowed to advertise, cause we all know the sooner you advertise a new site the better your downline will be, so say a new site you truely believe in is about to come out, you have 76.00 and know bettys has a lot fo members and you know since not many belong to this new site, then advertise it there, you most likely will get a lot of referals, more then usual any way and it would be worth it. Otherwise do what I do and wait for sales (I do this because I do not have a lot of money, go many months with no payout from anything, and my randomizer has died out for the most part LOL but whos compalining, I did get a total of 80 payouts from it in 2 months, and the sites \I belong to should be happy cause I spent more then half my earnings on advertising the randomizer so that worked out for all of us, even spent for higher advertising cause I knew I would get good resuilts and I did)
ahhh how come I ramble on like this sorry guys lol Hope I made some sence and I also hope everyone has a wonderful weekend

(ps, hiya cheri! hugssss)

Or, you can avoid the click through rate altogether, and do this..

Betty's topped 10,000 members today.

You can send a paid ad to 10000 and you WILL get 5000 clicks. Okay, you might get 4900 clicks. Here's how you do it.

Sell the ad to 5000. Send the ad to 10,000. Limit the number of clicks for the ad to 5,000 (the amount you've paid for). Since most ads only ever get a click through rate of 50% or so anyway, you've only got a couple hundred people who get the "maximum clicks reached" page, instead of paying for an ad to 5000 and getting an ad to 2500.

I've done some calculations and it seems that the maximum a site can guarantee in clicks is about 10% over the half size membership. That is, if your membership is 10,000, the most you can expect to send to and get guaranteed clicks is about 5500.

You could also be conservative and say you'll only get a 40% click through rate. Now you can sell a paid ad to 4,000, send it to 10,000, and get a 100% click through rate on the ad. You've increased the ad value while only charging what the ad is worth.

Sigh...

There are so many different ways to do this, and I've only discussed one. Why do people look at it so simplistically..

The other issue here is that the higher the payment per click, the better the response tends to be, particularly with search ads. When I send out a search ad for .5 cents, the response is miserable - a search rate under 20%. When I send out a search ad for 1 cent, I get a valid search rate of about 50%. I imagine this would be true for the other ads too.

Unfortunately, Rod is right - the economics of this industry at the moment don't really support a 1 cent ad for someone selling a product. The ad value isn't there.

If even one out of every 100 clickers on an ad bought something, we could be paying much more than 1 cent per ad (or only 1 cent.. to keep costs to the advertiser down).

Example.

I'm an advertiser and I make $10 on every product I sell. I want to send an ad to 5000 at BettyBucks.

One of every 100 out of 5000 is 50 sales - that's $500 for me. I spent $75 or so on the ad. I made $425. I'm going to come back again next month when I have my next product to promote.

There's a caveat here, and it is this: for this example to be realistic, programs can't be sending out 500 ads per week. Nobody could keep up with that. 3 or 4 ads per week is realistic.

The other caveat here is that for this example to last long-term, we need member bases that are much larger than we've got. Think 16,000 at Mike's is big? Nah. We're talking a few hundred thousand, for real advertisers to look at us as though we have something to offer.

This is because the same 5000 people can't keep buying products to keep advertisers coming back. But if you send ads to 300,000 people, you've got a more than large enough member base to both guarantee a good response, and still have enough members that DIDN'T respond that MIGHT respond later because they still have dollars to spend.

Which of course is the whole purpose. If you're going to buy something you would have bought anyway, you might as well buy it from an advertiser who's sending you an ad to do so.. that was the whole point of this industry in the first place, wasn't it?

Edit: my math was wonky..

Yes BlueEyez.

Is not the same promote a product that will get 10$ for sale than another ptr that sends 5 cents a day, here you have.

I mean that, I send an ad to 1000 and I get 500 valid searches.

The only place I've gotten these results is Mec-Co-Op-Paidmail. And they're not always that good.. usually, but not always. Depends on when I send the ad.

Lol... You'll never get those kind of results sending a search ad to 5000. No, I think this kind of result is limited to the 1000 or so that Carole at Mec-co-op sends to.

She offers several levels.. so she has about 1100 opted-in searchers. I've only ever sent 500 and 900 click searches, for the 500 I got about 250 searches, and for the 900 it bounces between about 375 and 500, again, depending on when I send the ad. She charges the ads at cost, not including referral earnings, because about half the searches she sends are her own. So if you buy a search to 500, you pay $5. From that, I make about $8.50. That's $3.50 profit for me.

you only need to pay $8 for a search email...I would just buy one and send a regular ad instead of paying $76 dollars for a one cent solo to all.

sounds like a program that listens