April Gold Options

[berm]

April Gold sent this message to me after I made a post saying that she never paid me.
She replyed with:

I personally owe you nothing because I no longer own the site. The NEW owner does and has agreed to assume the debt.

And because I cant post this message back to her because her inbox is full or turned off, I post it here.

But in reality you have failed as a webmaster and have failed to pay and the new owner isn't going to pay us either. I cashed out in march 2004, thats nearly a year. Im sorry but you have failed. Webmasters like you are the reason this ptr industry is dodgy and the reason I have lost faith and interest in it.

[MLPDRACO]

irreponsable webmasters, scams, cheatters, whatsever... you are right, it's getting every day worst. like we use to say in my land "vou amarrar meu burro em outro lugar"" ("i'm going to tied my donkey into another place").

All this is so unprofessional that give us creepy...

Sorry for your money, bud... I was scammed too, twice, in a bit less than one month over here

Marcelo

[Guest_priestes_*]

berm

I sure know how you feel. There are a lot of programs that folded and took no responsibility for their actions and acted like their programs were a game. Just sell it or give the problems away to someone else. It is really sad to see as there are a lot of really honest programs trying to survive in this cesspool we call ptr.

Not all programs are run poorly or have ideas of that their members are not important. It is really sad to see that some think it is ok to say "Not my problem anymore"....

[MenaC]

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[buffalo]

Oh.my dear. keep readind and clicking for more than one year to get nothing! just my luck. :(

[frenchy38]

berm

I sure know how you feel. There are a lot of programs that folded and took no responsibility for their actions and acted like their programs were a game. Just sell it or give the problems away to someone else. It is really sad to see as there are a lot of really honest programs trying to survive in this cesspool we call ptr.

Not all programs are run poorly or have ideas of that their members are not important. It is really sad to see that some think it is ok to say "Not my problem anymore"....
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You are so right priestes. Much to much of this going on, very sad! :(

[Dougie]

Oh.my dear. keep readind and clicking for more than one year to get nothing! just my luck. :(
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I'm so glad I left Aprils when I had $15.
Some WMs just have no idea how to run a PTR properly... :(

[strolly]

I still havent decided what to do, members have got till end of Feb to make their choice out of the 4 wonderful choices. I certainly cant click another link I have clicked far to many as it is, maybe I should stay and seeings as the wm is now in Britain maybe I can check what the law is and see if I can hold him responsible. What I know of British law is the debt is only cleared if its a limited company but will go see what I can find out before I go unsubbing. Maybe another British person can enlighten me on this?

[avalon28]

April Gold sent this message to me after I made a post saying that she never paid me.
She replyed with:
And because I cant post this message back to her because her inbox is full or turned off, I post it here.

But in reality you have failed as a webmaster and have failed to pay and the new owner isn't going to pay us either. I cashed out in march 2004, thats nearly a year. Im sorry but you have failed. Webmasters like you are the reason this ptr industry is dodgy and the reason I have lost faith and interest in it.
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[quote]I personally owe you nothing because I no longer own the site. The NEW owner does and has agreed to assume the debt. [/unquote]

I usually don't react like this to a situation. But the things I want to say I can't because its inappropriate in this forum and to other members.

Who put the site into the debt its in I wonder? April!!!

She doesn't owe us anything because she no longer owns the site. PLEASE!!!

Spines are good to have, some people are spineless. Takes all kinds I suppose. <_<

[avalon28]

I still havent decided what to do, members have got till end of Feb to make their choice out of the 4 wonderful choices. I certainly cant click another link I have clicked far to many as it is, maybe I should stay and seeings as the wm is now in Britain maybe I can check what the law is and see if I can hold him responsible. What I know of British law is the debt is only cleared if its a limited company but will go see what I can find out before I go unsubbing. Maybe another British person can enlighten me on this?
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I'm still iffy about whether April is still involved in the site. I know she gave the site to Tony and nothing against Tony, but who's to say she's still not 'helping' to run AprilGoldsGPTR? :o . It wasn't sold. She says she's not involved, but why would she admit it when so many people are angry right now?

My thoughts. <_<

avalon28

[Guest_wagdoll_*]

I still havent decided what to do, members have got till end of Feb to make their choice out of the 4 wonderful choices. I certainly cant click another link I have clicked far to many as it is, maybe I should stay and seeings as the wm is now in Britain maybe I can check what the law is and see if I can hold him responsible. What I know of British law is the debt is only cleared if its a limited company but will go see what I can find out before I go unsubbing. Maybe another British person can enlighten me on this?
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It might be difficult to explain to them but in the UK you could try the citizens advice bureau for free legal advice and see if a small claims court could be possible for individuals or see if you could even get advice on the entire concept of taking on the debt and only paying half of what is owed to each member, at some indetermintate future date only if you continue to work as a contractor for the company and if that might lead to a group case?

If anyone does try the CAB, it might be a good idea to take a printout of the TOS page and of the options, also state the difference in the TOS that members signed up under (under the old owner), point out that there are terms of unconscionability and adhesion in the contract and that the debts taken over came to approx $200,000 while the assets were around $200.

For a debt of around ?100 that would mean agreeing to ?50. I think the usual advice would be to take the ?50 if that was going to be put in your hand now, but I am not sure of the legality of agreeing to that when it also means you have to carry on working until the debt is cleared (it's not your debt after all, it's a debt to you). Then if the old contract is changed to agree to 50% or advertising or whatever, does that require the drawing up and agreement of a new contract for future work, can that even be expected under the old contract - it's like they are asking you to agree to close the old contract but at the same time to continue working under it, surely you cant do both? Or if the old contract was closed with 'fair' agreement by both sides, surely a new contract couldnt be agreed upon by saying you have to agree to this contract so that we will pay you what you are owed from the old contract? No matter which way you look at it, I cant see how they wouldnt be in violation of the contracts even if the contracts are legal.

Since here you can just go to the CAB and get referred to their legal team for free advice on employment and contract law I dont see the harm in someone at least finding out what the legal position is? At least it's only time you would be wasting and not hundreds more than you are owed on going straight to a lawyer?

[cajunlady]

I'm still iffy about whether April is still involved in the site.  I know she gave the site to Tony and nothing against Tony, but who's to say she's still not 'helping' to run AprilGoldsGPTR? :o  .  It wasn't sold.  She says she's not involved, but why would she admit it when so many people are angry right now?

My thoughts.  <_<

avalon28
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I'm not convinced April is completely out of the picture either. Looks to me like she simply transferred the debt out of the country where it would be extremely difficult if not impossible for US members to collect. If just a few members brought her to small claims court it could cost her thousands of dollars. Her solution - "give" the debt to someone out of the country. <_<
What I predict will happen is Tony will limp along for a few months with things as they are and the program will eventually close. After the hoopla dies down, April will re-emerge and start all over again with a new program and without a $200,000+ debt hanging over her head. I really don't think she is as naive or innocent as some would have us believe.

[nan2b]

I'm not convinced April is completely out of the picture either. Looks to me like she simply transferred the debt out of the country where it would be extremely difficult if not impossible for US members to collect.  If just a few members brought her to small claims court it could cost her thousands of dollars. Her solution - "give" the debt to someone out of the country.  <_< 
What I predict will happen is Tony will limp along for a few months with things as they are and the program will eventually close. After the hoopla dies down, April will re-emerge and start all over again with a new program and without a $200,000+ debt hanging over her head. I really don't think she is as naive or innocent as some would have us believe.
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I know, isn't it awful, I'm not too trusting either, since april was such a GRAND liar!

[gotlucky]

I gave it all up when I couldnt even collect $5 from nilecash. What hope is there to get $75. not much. I never would have joined a site with such a high payout either, even $15 seems too much.
I figured overall if I was spending all my time chasing cents then there would be no time to chase real money. (dollars) I felt sooner or later an opportunity would come up and it was better to be free for that, and to keep my mind free too. But I do have other choices where I live.
As for the high payouts I felt too much could go wrong before collecting it. I hope the honest clickers find honest programs.

[frenchy38]

I'm not convinced April is completely out of the picture either. Looks to me like she simply transferred the debt out of the country where it would be extremely difficult if not impossible for US members to collect.  If just a few members brought her to small claims court it could cost her thousands of dollars. Her solution - "give" the debt to someone out of the country.  <_< 
What I predict will happen is Tony will limp along for a few months with things as they are and the program will eventually close. After the hoopla dies down, April will re-emerge and start all over again with a new program and without a $200,000+ debt hanging over her head. I really don't think she is as naive or innocent as some would have us believe.
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You could be so-o-o- right cajunlady. :(