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wingzero
post Mar 20 2004, 04:46 AM
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I signed up almost a year ago now, I didn't have any referrals in my downline and I had well over $40 and reaching payout in a few days/weeks depending on how much more ads I had time to click...
I never cheated on any programs I signed on and I just found out that this program kicked me out for no real reason.

I can already imagine their reply since they're telling the same to other members on their forums...They're telling members that got deleted that that was due to abuse due to multiple accounts abuse and such....
Well, I have two different ISP accesses (fiber optic 10Mbps in the town where I study and ADSL 640Kbps where I was born) and three different PCs overall.
The simple fact is that telling me that I was cheating because I logged from whatever PCs I own whenever I wanted to it's simply lame and it's no excuse, my $40+ disappeared for no reason and I'm not the one cheating here but the webmaster is, indeed ! <_<

If anyone knows how SQL based databases and PHP scripts work it's pretty obvious that it doesn't matter the IP , PC NIC address, LAN or ISP you use to access your account and do some clicking on any program. Once you clicked on any link it gets registered, database data properly updated, and there's no way to cheat despite where you're logging from...
Cheatng could be possible only by hacking PHP scripts and the servers themselves (usually Apache and MySQL ones), otherwise it doesn't matter if you're either in Europe, Asia or the US/Canada... you're still logging into your own account and so telling members that they're cheating because they've used another PC or another ISP to login or they deleted cookies for whatever reasons it's no excuse, this is not the way the basic authentication works and it's pretty logical.
Catching abusers having multiple accounts has nothing to do with people accessing a single account from whatever place they like, that's the main purpose of the Internet itself and it's pretty lame to accuse any members of being an abuser or a cheater for such a natural and obvious thing !

I can only say that AllYouSubmitters.com cheated on me, my account got deleted for no reason, there's no excuse for their behaviour and they stole $40+ .
I even don't have a screenshot of my earnings simply because I always trusted the webmaster before and never thought that other complaints about the program deleting members for no reasons were true... :blink:

But unfortunately for me I was wrong and this is the result now.

This program webmaster is abusing of his own members and kicking people out of the program as soon as they're approaching payout with lame excuses. This is cheating for sure and I'm really bothered by all of this. :angry:
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post Mar 20 2004, 09:02 AM
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have you posted on AYS forum and get them to state their reason for deleting your account.....
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post Mar 20 2004, 09:31 AM
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Actually I tried to register on their forum but their system hasn't yet sent me the confirmation email to my e-mail address.
I tried using the same nick , wingzero , as I use here and everywhere else and the same as it was my account with them and on the same e-mail address.
I start wondering if they banned my e-mail address and/or nick from their forum also at this point..
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post Mar 20 2004, 09:39 AM
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Um, clicking the links from different computers doesn't result in account termination. I know I've used my brother's computer to do my PTRs before when our broadband died and I had to use dail-up (my own computer doesn't have a working dail-up modem). My brother, thankfully, is not an AYS member, so there's no conflict there. Conflict of accounts happen when the same computer is used for more than one accounts, not more than one computer is used for one account. :)

So yeah, I've used two computers to access AYS, and two different ISPs (broadband and dail-up, they are different providers) to access AYS. I think I'm safe since that happened months ago and I'm still in the database.

I really think you should post at their forum to see why you got deleted. :\ But $40 in a year... isn't that kind of little? Were you inactive? I have over $100 in 5 months with no referrals.
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post Mar 20 2004, 09:50 AM
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This program webmaster is abusing of his own members and kicking people out of the program as soon as they're approaching payout with lame excuses. This is cheating for sure and I'm really bothered by all of this. 


This just isn't true - they don't kick people out for no reason at all.

Have you posted to their forum to ask for the reason?
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post Mar 20 2004, 11:41 AM
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wingzero, try sending them an emal to check

actually AYS is very strict, once you violated their TOS, it is likely your account is gone. Guess they had to do that due to business and the high no. of cheater out there. I don't mean that it is you but there are just many out there....

think Ays forum is the best place to find the answer to your problem.

But i don't think there are a scam... at least not now...
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post Mar 20 2004, 11:46 AM
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QUOTE (wingzero @ Mar 20 2004, 09:31 AM)
Actually I tried to register on their forum but their system hasn't yet sent me the confirmation email to my e-mail address.
I tried using the same nick , wingzero , as I use here and everywhere else and the same as it was my account with them and on the same e-mail address.
I start wondering if they banned my e-mail address and/or nick from their forum also at this point..

Hi,

It could be that your email is bouncing. That's been happening with a lot of email services. I know AOL bounces AYS mails. Try another email address like Yahoo, which seems to be allowing AYS mail.
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post Mar 20 2004, 12:02 PM
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I sent them an email thru their contact page, if they'll ever bother answering.
My ISP email address, which is in Italy and so it's not AOL, doesn't have issues with other PTC/PTR programs and I see no reason why their forum can't send the confirmation email to my address. I tried three times already. I'll try another email address unless they banned my nick completely.
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post Mar 20 2004, 12:06 PM
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I sent them an email thru their contact page, if they'll ever bother answering.
My ISP email address, which is in Italy and so it's not AOL, doesn't have issues with other PTC/PTR programs and I see no reason why their forum can't send the confirmation email to my address. I tried three times already. I'll try another email address unless they banned my nick completely.

Try the other email address and try to register again. If that does not work I'll post a link to this thread on the AYS forum and see if an answer can be given that way. It's usually faster to get an answer from the forum than through the email contact.
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post Mar 20 2004, 12:58 PM
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QUOTE (wingzero @ Mar 20 2004, 12:02 PM)
I sent them an email thru their contact page, if they'll ever bother answering.
My ISP email address, which is in Italy and so it's not AOL, doesn't have issues with other PTC/PTR programs and I see no reason why their forum can't send the confirmation email to my address. I tried three times already. I'll try another email address unless they banned my nick completely.

I agree with Tashgate, you should try another e-mail address if possible. I don't know lots about the PTRE world (I'm learning fast though) but I do know it's not really possible to ban a specific person by banning a nickname. How would they know it's you not some other person who just happened to use WingZero? Besides given what I've seen on their forum, they don't ban people just because they lost their accounts or even because they complain about losing their accounts.

As for them not answering your e-mails....they get an estimated 700 contact emails each day. I'm told they DO read them but right now I think getting caught up on payouts is a just a bit higher a priority.
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If there is a mistake, they will correct it. I have seen them do it. They seldom answer emails because they get so many. As others have suggested to to their forum and they will answer you there.
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post Mar 20 2004, 01:13 PM
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Besides given what I've seen on their forum, they don't ban people just because they lost their accounts or even because they complain about losing their accounts.


You're right, they don't. Jeez Louise, look at how long Charcol was on that forum, carrying on. :lol: Even THEN they didn't ban him.

Linder and Sharon are very reasonable and very fair. I've seen accounts that were accidentally deleted by the users reinstated recently, etc., and they've worked with people on their ads when they've submitted them with errors, etc.

I hope the situation gets resolved for you one way or the other soon.
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Inactives ?
I didn't click for just a few days maybe, less than a week and my account was mantained with previous earnings before the site got renewed... there have been a pair of times that I didn't click for more than 1 week but that was many months ago and I continued clicking after that.
How comes that if I was so inactive for your TOS you didn't delete me before ?
How comes that I become inactive for your TOS as soon as I'm reaching payout?! <_<
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QUOTE (wingzero @ Mar 20 2004, 02:38 PM)
Inactives ?
I didn't click for just a few days maybe, less than a week and my account was mantained with previous earnings before the site got renewed... there have been a pair of times that I didn't click for more than 1 week but that was many months ago and I continued clicking after that.
How comes that if I was so inactive for your TOS you didn't delete me before ?
How comes that I become inactive for your TOS as soon as I'm reaching payout?! <_<

I think the TOS used to be 30 days for inactives, but no longer. So that might answer your "many months" ago question.

That also takes care of your "as soon as I'm reaching payout" question too. You weren't close to payout then, were you?

I've seen people deleted for breaking terms that had less than $10.00 in their account. So that excuse you're trying to push doesn't hold water.

With all the emails that are being sent out everyday - I don't know how anyone doesn't/can't log in for a week! LOL!! I got a little behind several weeks ago and I don't think I'll EVER catch up - and that's with me doing some emails every other day! Hehe...that's obviously not a bad thing - means the program is busy and active.

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