Hi; (feel free to post your Own Plan):

Step-1:

Purchase a domain name. Something related to the advertising and/or marketting keyword arena. Try and get a dot_com, but don't hesitate to settle for net, info, or the like to get a better name.

Step-2:

Write Webpages to put on that domain:

-write the index.htm
This will be a general welcome to the site, and intro, very rich in ALL the keywords of the theme based mini-site you're about to build.
The index page, will have links on it to ALL the tier two pages. All the tier two pages in turn will be Inter-linked, and linked back to the mainpage as well, interlinking the whole of the site as one. (no, you won't get a goog penalty, just do it).

-write a page on 'Banner Advertising':
This needs to be between 300 and 500 words, keyword rich for banner advertising. Use the overture suggestion tool for This and All the pages of this mini-site to find out what keywords/phrases are generating the traffic for themselves, and incorperate them into your pages.

-write a page on 'Text Ads'.
-write a page on 'Email Advertising' and/or 'Email Marketting'.
-write a page on 'Pay Per Click Advertising'.
-write a page on 'Cost Per Click Advertising'.
-write a page on 'Cost Per Action' or 'Cost Per Acquisition'.
-write a page on 'Pay Per Lead'.

Now: You've Got the basics of the mini. You are hitting the majors with Keyword Phrase Matches for your:
-Banner Rotator Sales.
-Paid To Click Banners Page.
-Front Page Text Links. (text ads is what they'll be searching for).
-Paid email ads.
-Paid to Signup Page. (they'll find it by looking for its' more commonly known name in the marketting arena of pay-per-action/acquisition/lead).

Now, Format Your Pages.
-Each of your pages, has a Left Side Link Area in its' layout, where you put 'Text Ads', which are Direct Links to Your ptr sites' Landing Page for That Particular ad type.
-So you would flank the banner-advertising.htm with left side links like:
"" 1,000 banner rotations: $xxxx blah blah 5,000 ... "" and so on.
Same deal, with ALL the other pages, flanking Each, with the different ad types you sell, and All pointing back Directly to the Unique-Landing-Page in the new advertising section that relates to each ad type.

*It is Imperative that you use the Seperate Domain. Don't try and pull them Directly from google, yahoo, and msn TO a ptr site, that's a no brainer, imho, you aren't 'hiding' the fact that you are selling ptr advertising, you are just PreSelling them on the purchase Prior to letting them find out, this IS, well, basically, White Hat Marketting, remember, marketting, in it's simplest form, is the art of deception anyways. But do NOT Lie about the traffic source, it's Not Necessary.

Once you have the 8 to 12 page mini-site pulled together, and all interlinked together well, Upload it to the new domain, don't worry about server size nor bandwidth, you won't need a lot the first year or so.
*(Oh and before you Upload the pages, tweek your landing pages in your advertising section. Kill the guff on each landing page for the purchase of the individual ad types you offer of Any Mention of ptr, search ads, ptp ads, you know, make it Presentable for an Advertiser looking to peddle the Real Stuff).

Now, Submit the site to:
google.com
yahoo.com
msn.com

Forget about those other se's, the ones that will even give you a Trickle of traffic, will find you from the top 3 anyways, forget the rest.

Now, build some backlinks, aka Inbound links to the new domain, from Other sites in the Advertising/Marketting Niche. Try and get 20 or so as soon as you can. And NO, not ptr sites, lol. use the majors, you won't be long finding out where they are.

Throughout the Entire Site, there are Three 'Themes' you are going to be Pushing, and Pushing Hard. They are your Bread and Butter to Be, they are your 'Compensation' for an Otherwise Failed Model, so do Not Omit this Critical Aspect of this plan:
-You ARE an Email Marketting Agency/Company or similar, NOT a ptr site. *(Again, you are not Lying here, just not making more than is absolutely necessary, mention of the ptr site on This Mini Site Domain, which is your Pre-Seller).
-You Have what the Competition Does NOT Have, and That, is Timed Exposure, PUSH that timed exposure Hard Throughout the site, without coming off as a page full of Hipe.
-Push the Daylights outta your Targetting Abilities. (btw, savy marketters Right Now, are doing searches for 'site-targetting/ed' advertising), so chuck that phrase into your copy here and there.
-(Push Affordability as well, you've got a Major Jump on cpc/ppc/text ads in the existing marketplace, may as well flaunt it).

Will This Plan Work !?

Yep.

How Long Will It Take !?

You'll start to recieve targetted search traffic from msn within the first week after submission I'd guess.
g and y you'll have to wait for. from 6 weeks to 9 months, it depends, 6 months is likely the worse case senerio tho.

Isn't the site Too Small for g and y !?

Nope.

Are you SURE this will WORK !!?

Yep.

How Many ads will you Sell !?

I have no idea, get the site up, and when the sales start coming in, send me the adys, and I'll Count 'em for ya'll.

MO.

Great info MO! I don't think that would be the whole story but that certainly seems to be fantastic info for one component of getting outside advertisers.

I would suggest to mix in some more marketing techniques and perhaps do a little research and/or canvassing/surveying to find out what types of offers would be more likely to sell and how to present them. Most of the advertising.php pages seem very very guided to existing ptr members/advertisers rather than the outsider who doesn't have a clue about ptr terminology or what exactly they will get for a 1c ptc to all.

Also on that advertising page make sure that if you say 60% guaranteed visitors that you can achieve that. Or if you say email to 1000 unique, make sure you do have more than 1000 members in your site, preferable around 3 times as many as your highest, and keep an eye on that page for any inconsistencies developing as your site changes.

Priceless MO! :thumbup:

Hope some POs out there will jump on this free advice.

If it is as easy as that why not try it yourself, furthermore the unresponsive traffic the most ptr's generate through their blind clickers are not going to get the outside advertiser to return if the traffic quality is poor. Getting the advertiser is one thing, keeping them is something totaly different.

Thank you again MO :wub: great post, already working on something like this but a few more valuable pointers noted. You always give me more food for thought and I'm already so busy :wacko:

adam7one, if I had listened to those that say it can't be done, I would most likely have given up by now... in stead things are looking better and better. But please, do stick to the 'old' ways as I really don't need the competition at this point :P

Hi Espy; :)

I think the Biggest Fear Here, is Not Competition, don't worry about the Others, instead Watch them as they spring up, and Learn from them, that's just good solid marketing, nothing wrong with that, nor is there anything to worry about.

last month on the overture network, there were a Few Searches performed by folks interested in Your Niche: (as you Know). ;)
265,667 advertising
102,225 online advertising
67,386 internet advertising
35,913 advertising agency

And you are Shooting for Over 4 Dozen Keyword Phrase Combinations accross your pages, there's Pleanty of Millions of Monthly Searches being performed and Landing on Someones Pages to go 'round, may as well land a couple % of them to your ptr site, and your competitors ptr sites as well, no harm there.

If there is a 'Fear', it is This. What we Don't Want, is to have ptr po's Actually Do It, and then get Disgusted when the Results are not good for the new advertising base. To Avoid this Dissapointment, we NEED to Define the Level One MVR, most valued result, which in This simple plan laid out above, consists of One Off Advertising Sales.

In Your case, you've Allready taken the next step, in providing the advertiser a chance of at least Improving their Chances, so you're one up on a lot here, but there Still Remains the Problem of the Time Resourse involved in Dealing with the Advertisers. If you are to Have that Time, then you Cannot Also be Using that Same time resource to Land Them.
So you LET The Majors Perform that task For You, freeing up time resources your competitors are using for the 'hands on' method, which is Also Very Very Very Hard on the ego/site-esteem, as they are Constantly Pounded with Negative Feedback on their fondest online venture, that's a Dead End Street, and good and hard working po's here have shown this to us over and again. Eventually, if Hard Sales IS the mvr, the Advertisers Will Drag the ptr po Down.

This is Nothing 'New'. One Off Ad Sales have been Fueling Both the ptr biz And the Entire 2nd tier ppc biz for Over 4 Years Now, it's not rocket science, Nor is it in some way 'mis-leading'. It IS, Marketing, the business the ptr site is In.

The 'Current' Dismal state of affairs, is a False Belief System prevelant in the ptr industry at large, that Lends Credibility by previous failed attempts to the comments we'll see here from critics of my approach, IGNORE Them, and Write! :) :)

First, We Put to rest the lie that "" advertisers will not buy ads to be placed in front of Paid Traffic.""
Later, we Convert the ads for them as well, but First, we 'kick-off' with one-offs, to shed the old coat, and make room for the new one to develop.

*I See your post up there Waggy, I'm trying to keep this as simple as possible, lol, but good points. ;)

MO. The Problem, with trying to tell MO that we Cannot Destroy what is Left of the ptr industries reputation by Poor Results One-Off Advertising purchases originating from the major serps, is that Miva, Kanoodle, Enhance, and the rest of those Clowns have been Doing Just That for Over Four Straight Years Now, and our Very Existance is Proof of Same! So my Critics can put That in their corncobs and light 'er UP. This is NOT to say we wish to lure unsuspecting advertisers into spending more money on yet One More Bogus Traffic Source, it is to Say that the Fix for the traffic Quality we give the advertiser is an Entirely Seperate Discussion. For Now, just Write.

very very interesting leads me to think I should 1 read all that you write and 2 hire you as a paid consultant

Hi Mo,

We wondered if you think it would be a good idea to add the first post of your thread + link to this original thread in our Learn GPT -Articles and tutorials section here as a specific thread.

This way new members/potential POs can find the info easier and even when burried in General Discussion after some time, it can be revived easily.

Of course we would mention that it is courtesy of madmeikal

Thank you

Sophieca
admin

:blushing: Sure Sophie, go for it. ;)
It's not that 'i' wrote the thing, but I have to say, it's nice to see gpf mods take note of this sort of thing, and take the extra step to help push it along a tad, I think that's very helpful to the whole of the ptr biz.

MO.

All done, look here : http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/learn_g...ials-f1011.html

Feel free to comment if you want us to add or change anything.

It's us thanking you for your great contribution to the GPT biz as a whole and your continuous help and infos shared with the GPF members.

Sophie

I never said it couldn't be done, I just said it is not as easy as everyone thinks and that the OP should put it into practice so they know for them selves how difficult it is not so much to get them but to provide responsive traffic so that the outside advertiser returns.

But if you Read what the op wrote, he appears? to be talking about one-off sales, yes? So the relavence to getting the converted advertisers to translate to Repeat Advertisers, appears to me at least, to be as yet an issue not in need of addressing. I could have taken what the guy said the wrong way tho, I do that sometimes. ;)

You DO have a sence of humor Yes? pheewwwww, had me worried there for a bit, lol.

But I don't agree that everyone, aka Most here, would consider it as 'easy'. I think I do, and I think You too allready Know it's candy, basically, and Espy certainly knows it as well, I'm sure Lia knows it, and a few more, it's the Time Factor to Formulate the brainwaves into Readable Dribble that's a bit sticky, but most can get through it ok I think.

Look Adam, I 'Know' where you are coming from, and I appreciate it. It's Valid K?
But it is Also, Just as points Wags too raised above are valid, Beyond the Scope of this thread, which is focusing on One Aspect of sending Outside Purchased Advertising to a ptr memberbase, and that is to Put the Product in Front of its' Target Market.

I Agree! We Need the Other 8 Threads to Go with This One, which one ya wanna Start? :) :)

MO.

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This post has been edited by sophieca: May 7 2006, 03:10 PM

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